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HomeMy WebLinkAboutIII(A) Approval And Acceptance Of Minutes Of City Commission Regular Session Of June 19, 2001 Work Session Of May 3,2001, Joint Work Session With P&Z Commission Of June 12, 2001 And Special Session Of June 25, 2001 Agenda 7-17-2001 DEAFT Item III A MINUTES OF THE OCOEE CITY COMMISSION WORK SESSION TO REVIEW THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM HELD May 3, 2001 CALL TO ORDER Mayor Vandergrift called the Work Session to order at 7:30 p.m. in the Commission Chambers and announced the purpose of this meeting was to review the Capital Improvement Program for the fiscal years 2002-2006. The roll was called and all were present. PRESENT: Mayor Vandergrift, Commissioners Anderson, Howell, Johnson, and Parker. Also present were City Manager Gleason, City Clerk Grafton, Building/Zoning Official Velie, City Engineer/Utilities Director Shira, Community Relations/Projects Director Shira, TV Operations Manager Prihoda, Finance Director Horton, Finance Supervisor Carter, Budget Analyst Brosonski, Accountant Bishop, Fire Chief Strosnider, Assistant Fire Chief Firstner, Human Resources Director Psaledakis, Information Systems Manager Ross, Planning Director Wagner, Police Chief Mark, Public Works Director Smith, and Recreation Director Nordquist. ABSENT: None DISCUSSION/REVIEW OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM City Manager Gleason said the CIP for Fiscal Years 2002-2006 is a plan for Capital Purchases (those items $1,500 or more), Capital Replacements and Capital Leases based on proposed work plans and necessary projects. The items to be considered are divided into four sections - Capital Projects, Computer Equipment, Equipment, and Vehicles, and are listed in detail in a workbook provided by Finance Department. Mr. Gleason added that his recommendation regarding priorities are noted, with (1) being the highest need and those items marked (0) being currently in process. He said that, based on projections, Fire Station #1 is secure but the Police Department and the potential fire station on the Coke Property were not funded at this time. As in previous years the workbook was reviewed page by page, item by item, with staff responding to questions from the Commission, and over-all, the Commission agreed with the ranking placed on the items by City Manager Gleason. On page 4, item 18, Re-Tile City Hall Lobby: Mayor Vandergrift suggested carpeting instead of tile to suppress noise and Commissioner Parker advised there was a new rubberized tile on the market that might serve that purpose. On page 5, items 50-52, Islands on Clarke Road - Landscaping, Irrigation, Jack & Bore between Islands: Mayor Vandergrift suggested an "Adopt a Median" program similar to the "Adopt a Road" program and asked that a copy of the current contract used for that program be made available. Conunissioner Parker asked for a copy as well. Public Works Director Smith said he would provide that for them. On Page 5, item 49, 4" Irrigation Well at City Hall & Community Center: Commissioner Anderson corrected this to remove Community Center. / I DRAFT Ocoee City Commission Work Session to Review CIP FY 2002-2006 May 3, 2001 On page 6, items 69-72, Resurface West Avenue from Silver Star Road to Rewis St, Hill Avenue from Silver Star Road to Flewelling Avenue, Sidewalk on Ocoee Hills Road from Silver Star to Flewelling, and Resurface Clarke Road from Silver Star Road to Orlando Avenue: Commissioner Parker said it was important to add a sidewalk from Clarke Road to the Beech Recreation Center. On page 9, item 145, Parking Lot for Starke Lake: Commissioner Johnson said he wanted a raised wall. Consensus was reached to put pavers in as far as Oakland Street. On page 11, item 176, Rehab Jamela Storage Tank: City Engineer/Utilities Director Shira discussed phasing out the Jamela Storage Tank. Mayor Vandergrift asked if there had been inquiries regarding cell phone stations as the reception on his was poor and he asked for a copy of the report regarding Jamela Storage Tank. Mr. Shira said he would provide a copy of the report for him. RECESS 9:00 - 9:15 P.M. During the review on Vehicles on pages 14 through 18, Commissioner Howell asked what the difference was between a full size truck and an F150 as the difference in price was approximately $10,000. Public Works Director Smith responded they were the same. Commissioner Anderson added that the Department Directors should show a need to the City Manager when requesting a full size pickup truck and the vehicle which satisfies the actual need should be purchased. On page 22, item 307, Thermal Scanner Hand Held: Commissioner Parker asked if the two requested scanners could be lease/purchased in order to get them at the same time rather than two different years. On page 34, item 498, Network for Senior Citizens (Seniornet): City Manager Gleason said to delete this item as other arrangements have been made for this program. As this completed the review of the items, City Manager Gleason said he had noted the Commission input regarding the sidewalks on A.D. Mims Road to the Beech Recreation Center and Ocoee Hills Road to Flewelling Avenue and directions to revisit the whole issue regarding full size pickup trucks versus the F150 and purchase what was necessary to get the job done. Commissioner Anderson thanked staff for the CIP just presented. Mayor Vandergrift said he may have been responsible for changing to this format as he had suggested it to Mrs. Horton earlier. In addition, he said he would like to see collar mikes for 2 DRAFT Ocoee City Commission Work Session to Review CIP FY 2002-2006 May 3, 2001 department heads to use added to this budget. He expressed appreciation to staff for the presentation. ADJOURN The meeting adjourned at 10:00 p.m. APPROVED: Attest: City of Ocoee Jean Grafton, City Clerk S. Scott Vandergrift, Mayor 3 Agenda 7-17-2001 Item III A MINUTES OF THE OCOEE CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL SESSION HELD JUNE 25, 2001 Mayor Vandergrift called the City Commission Special Session to order at 7:08 p.m. in the Commission Chambers. The roll was called and a quorum declared present. PRESENT: Mayor Vandergrift, Commissioners Anderson, Johnson and Parker. Also present were City Attorney Rosenthal, Assistant City Attorney Doty, City Manager Gleason and Deputy City Clerk Whitford. ABSENT: Commissioner Howell (contacted by phone during closed session). Mayor Vandergrift announced that the Commission would be attending a Closed Session with City Attorney Rosenthal, Assistant City Attorney Doty, City Manager Gleason, the Court Reporter from Verbatim Transcripts, and no others regarding settlement negotiations and strategy related to litigation expenditures in Orange County Circuit Court Case No. CI-001-303 - City of Ocoee vs. Cortez, et al. He said it was estimated,that the attorney-client session would last forty-five minutes. Following the conclusion(o4the,,attorney-client session, the meeting would be reopened in order to announce the termination ofthe•closed session and take such other action as the City Commission may deem appropriate. ` �,. At 7:11 p.m. Mayor Vandergrift announced-tliat the GityfCommission would move into closed session. RECONVENE PUBLIC MEETING FOR ACTION ON ABOVE ISSUE Mayor Vandergrift reopened `theSpecial Session and announced the closed attorney-client session had been terminated, and ar nounced the time to be 8:50 p.m. • - Mayor Vandergrift announced a consensus had been reached and direction given to the Attorneys during the closed session. Mayor Vandergrift stated if there were no comments the meeting was adjourned. There were no comments. The meeting was adjourned at 8:51 p.m. APPROVED Attest: City of Ocoee Sally Whitford, Deputy City Clerk S. Scott Vandergrift, Mayor Agenda 7-17-2001 Item III A MINUTES OF THE JOINT WORKSHOP OF OCOEE CITY COMMISSION AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HELD JUNE 12, 2001 CALL TO ORDER Mayor Vandergrift called the meeting to order at 7:32 p.m. in the Commission Chambers. Commissioner Parker led the invocation, and Planning and Zoning Commission Chairman Bond led in the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag. The rolls were,cailed and quorums were declared present. . PRESENT: Mayor Vandergrift, Commissioners Anderson;Howe1l;.Johnson (arrived 9:50 p.m.) and Parker. Chairman Bond, Vice Chairman Landefeld, Members Christoefl, Matthys, McKey and West. Also present we`re City Manager Gleason, City Attorney Rosenthal, Planning Director Wagner' and Deputy City Clerk Green. < ABSENT: Planning and Zoning Commission Members Golden, Miller and Rhodus. N. DISCUSSION tr �' THE "DILL PROPERTY," CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN Scott Henderson, of Henderson/P,la ng1Group.,'introduced the other members of their team who were present for the project` Steve/Dill,�the property owner and developer, Charlie True, the engineer, Hugh Darley, the architect,_Darrell-Spradley with Charles Wayne and Associates, and Scott Clark, attorney: The subject property is a tract of approximately 400 acres located on Ocoee?C—larcona Road, Ingram Road, and Hobson Road. Mr. Henderson said/it was their goal before proceeding with development to come to a mutual agreement with the City in the foim of a Developer's Agreement. He said they look forward to the boards' thoughtand comments in order to provide them guidance as they move to the next step. Mr. Hugh Darley, the architect, presented an overview of the conceptual plan for the project. It will be known as Magnolia Ridge and will recreate a small rural town reflecting Florida's past. The Estates at Magnolia Ridge will be a collection of parcels named for famous plantations to be located north of Clarcona-Ocoee Road. The Southern Estate will be located south of Clarcona-Ocoee Road and the Village will be located north of Clarcona-Ocoee and south of Lake Sims. The Village will include residential townhouses, retail, restaurants, cafés, office and commercial. Mr. Darley described public and private amenities included in the conceptual plan. Public amenities will include a realigned West Orange Trail, the Trailhead (including livery stable and Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 bike barn), the Saw Mill Play Place and the Public Green. Private amenities will include the Summer House and Lake House (pools, clubhouses, barbecue, game lawn and picnic areas), Estate Park (a passive green park), a walkway around the perimeter of Lake Sims, and a Chapel with rose garden and gazebo. They also plan to set aside a school site within the development. Mr. Henderson said they want to have agreement on some t rms�nd conditions before proceeding with this project. He explained elements which they' elieve to be critical to the project which they wish to have addressed in a developer's`agreement:,\Mr. Henderson specified the following elements: `;> • Widening of Clarcona-Ocoee Road, an Access Management)Plan to ensure maintaining the care and capacity of the road. (. f / / '/ • Alignment of Clarke Road - request that/it be resolved vs/ thin 60 days (and Access Management Plan). , `a n. . • Fifteen acre elementary school site dedicated to City forfa Charter School or to Orange County. / e `�,f r / / .' \ • West Orange Trail - Trail,will have/to/be relocated when Clarcona-Ocoee Road is realigned, so they ask that,City and County--agree on location on trail realignment. Developer would dedicate 4'rop6rtio an to share of the additional right-of-way for the trail. ` • Trailhead Park - Developerep`rop`oses,to dedicate the right-of-way and they would look to the City and to ie County to construct the Trailhead features. The Developer would dedicate six acres,of park land to accommodate that. ) • Would enter into a"PUD Pla with the City for development of the Village Center and the Trailhead. ns, The rezoning for the Meadow Lakes Tract which lies south of Clarcona-Ocoee Road is pending before City Commission. Planning and Zoning Commission had recommended R1A zoning subject to a Developer's Agreement which specifies a maximum of 25% of the total lots could be 70' wide, the minimum square footage of the homes would be 1400 square feet, and the density for the entire subdivision would be no more than 2.5 units per usable acre. He said the topography within the site will restrict the amount of development, so their design would allow some 70' lots, but would be developing at a density that would be well below that of R1AA. Page 2 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 He said lots sizes will be mixed, with 75' lots predominating, but two communities will have 90' lots. The residential communities will be gated to help establish a higher design standard and character to the entire project. Mr. Darley said 85% of the Lake Sims area is zoned R1AA, and 20.,% of lots would be 90', the minimum house size would be 1400 square feet, and the density/would be 2.75 dua. In the Meadow Lakes neighborhood, the Summer House parkrea would have Plantation Club House and pool, kiddy pool, playground and picnic area, game lawns;.shelters, parking, and restroom facilities. Specimen tree protection would receive close attention. A large stand of trees beside the old house would be preserved as a maj jbr"feature of the neighborhood park. The Lake Sims neighborhood would be the Lake House Park,/the community club house, pool, kiddy pool, playground, picnic areas, shelter, park development with phase 1 development of the housing. The old grove and tree nursery,.in the area`will be considered as they deal with the grading challenges and the development,design of the project. \ The lakeside recreation facilities will include a lakesi'de-trail, Adjacent to Lake Sims the land \ \ / slopes steeply and the distance betweenthe lake edgefl and`the 100 year flood plain is significant. They are proposing placing the lakeside trail within the 100 year flood plain. While that is a variance from regulations,;they believe it is appropriate to create the open space character and to add a major<feature to.-the-community. They would also place benches and shelters within that area. •`,, '��,` `. ( For stormwater management they propose to meet SJRWMD standards, but not the City's normal stormwater4gu :,lations ••' In the Meadow Lakes'area, the lakefront property they own is only a portion along the northern end of the lake.. They would continue to maintain the City's criteria for no development within the`100,year.flood plain area. Stormwater retention and detention would be per SJRWMD criteria for stormwater criteria and ponds above the 100 year flood area. They would establish a mass\grading plan which will impact the site conditions and the vegetation on the site, and would establish a landscaping plan that considers the post-grading • conditions. In the Lake Sims area, they own 100% of the area around the lake. They are proposing to follow the development criteria by the WMD. It allows pollution abatement ponds placed outside the 100 year flood to take care of water quality before it discharges into the lake. The storm events would be accommodated within the lake. They would conduct a basin analysis under a post development condition that ensures that the flood elevation would be Page 3 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 raised to a level to protect any future housing. All the development in this park would be above the 100 year flood plain. Mr. Henderson said they would be requesting that they be allowed to simultaneously process the mass grading plan with the first phase subdivision plan. j.. Mr. Henderson said the Village Center area would require an,ai ndment to the Comprehensive Plan (CP), and they would look to the City to sponsor an application to amend the CP for the mixed use community. They propose to enter'into a\Developers Agreement with the City so the land use associated with the Village,Center (retails, office, residential, and the trailhead) is a major feature of the project. He/said they would`need to know and to have a clear understanding with the City that that land-use is appropriate ifr order to go forward with the project. . � ,'/ He said, in conclusion, the key elements are,that the Developer's Agreement is a clear identification and commitment on behalf offthe developer as to what their obligations and responsibilities are. It would identify any variances,such as stpimwater management and allowing the lakeside path within the 100 yea%flood'plain'It would also have specific terms and conditions as a part of the public process. \<<In.order to deal with the project in its totality, they do need to have a clear understanding and agr',eement with the City. Mr. Henderson said, if they do not have that, it'would not)make 'sense to approach the project in this manner, and they would need to deal with it in1 a"piecemeaI\basis. .,� Mayor Vandergrift said,it woul"dhave been helpful to have had a packet of information about their project before the meering. 1VIr.''Henderson said they wish to correct an error and then would provide copi s,of their power point presentation tomorrow. e v Mayor Vandergrift,asked about 1the location of the school site. Mr. Henderson said it was 15 acres adjacent to the 6,a• cre trailliead park. Member West asked the total acreage. Mr. Henderson said it was 400 acres including lakes with net useable not yet known. There would be approximately 600 single family units. City Manager Gleason explained the purpose of the meeting was to receive input so Staff will be aware of the intent and concerns of City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission as Staff works with the developer as they begin the application process. R. P. Mohnacky, 1820 Prairie Lake Boulevard, asked about the size of the lots. Mayor Vandergrift said south of Clarcona-Ocoee Road 25% of the lots could be 70' wide, and 75% will be 75' or above. Commissioner Parker pointed out that no lots in any part of the project could be less than 70' wide. Page 4 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 Denise Lenko, 417 Sterling Lake Drive, said she was aware an artesian well was located on the north side of the property, and expressed concern about potential stormwater drainage into Lake Sims, a pristine lake. Mayor Vandergrift responded that he would support no plan which permitted direct runoff into any lake, that drainage must be via retention/detention ponds. She also asked if a home on the site had belonged to Captain Sims. Chairman Bond asked about the size of Lake Sims, about lakefrorit,lots, and about the area around the lake. Mr. Henderson said it is normally 50 to 7,0'acres:,\He said there will be a number of lakefront lots, the distance from the lake to the;closest lots'would be about 200 feet, and no houses would be built below the 100 year flood/line. The distance between the 100 year flood line and the normal high water limit of the,.lake is,very extensie, and in that area they planned a paved lakeside path and a passive park':. ,r'�✓ Commissioner Anderson questioned the practice of building pathways in the 100 year flood plain. Mayor Vandergrift said he had no problem with a`passive recreational amenity, if SJWMD would approve it. Mr. Henderson said`only--faciliiies'such as a path, bench, and poles of a shelter, which would not be adversel\yy impacted by a flood, would be in the 100 year flood plain. -- \ +/ \, \ 7 Chairman Bond asked Staff abqut Mr.�Henders m's request for the alignment of Clarke Road within 60 days. City Manager\Gleason said_there/were two issues - the alignment of the road and the building of the road. Submjttal'of a-pr-opesed alignment is expected shortly. He said having the exact alignment woul41ldw the developer to know how it would affect their property and access for`.he_sehool site'and the trailhead. Mr. Gleason said the bigger issue is who is going to build/die road:..Past practice has been that he who builds first puts the road through and typically,the City has hot given impact fee credits for building a road. The other issue is does the City 'get involved in building the road, do we split the cost, or do they build it and receive impact fee...credits. This is a big hurdle that needs to be discussed. .,y f, Planning Director Wagner said he expected the Clarke Road alignment study to come before City Commission within 30 to 45 days. He said the center line location would be established by that study, but it is not a final engineering document. He said a lot of this would depend on how it would relate topographically to this project. Mr. Henderson said what they are looking for is the City to come to an agreement regarding the alignment approach to this project. Where is it going to be, what is the cross section design, where is it going to go north. He said the terms and conditions of the deal will be in the developer's agreement, and he would not expect that to be done in 60 days. He said they are trying to work with the City to get Clarke Road to happen. He said they do not need it, Page 5 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 that they have access and alternatives. They do not think it is their responsibility to pave it, but they are willing to do their fair share. City Attorney Rosenthal pointed out there is disagreement between Staff and the developer as to whether Clarke Road is needed for this project, at least on a conceptual basis. He said this was an issue that would probably follow the alignment study. ;'1 Mayor Vandergrift asked if there had not been an alignment sttidy'a couple years ago. Mr. Henderson said they had presented one. Mr. Henderson said the major issue is that they do not own the land that would be necessary for Clarke Road;as it intersecfs\Clarcona-Ocoee Road; that is the Caruso tract. If the City wants this road to come through\there needs to be a public/private partnership to get that accomplished.;` / ,j`� ,f Mayor Vandergrift asked Mr. Wagner about the eali0.-gtu`dy. Mr. Wagner said during some of the investigation of this property the4eveloper had\proposed a schematic alignment, but it was not detailed. The City's study was;a fairly exhaustiye one costing $25,000.00 which would look at all of the traffic aspects of th \ar\ea;the topography, the drainage, etc. He said the City has been working closely with the Caruso's%n-the alignment through their property, and have a pending annexation agreement which"calls out for the dedication of the right-of-way for that roadway. j1'.\, '� `` `` Odessa Bowser, 2700 Springfield Driye/expressecVconcern about the "plantation replication concept." She asked what wastthe rationale for_naming the villages for famous plantations. She said, as this is 2001,he thought/we need to move beyond that. ``. Hugh Darley, architect, said they,us&I ihat term because in the past many of the locations that were used as plantations througliout the southeast United States actually took on the feel of the landscape. As theyere trying to, incorporate landscape very heavily into the plan, they looked for deciduous and,,local trees that could be used to characterize each of the locations and for which they would be\named \\ s.Vice Chairman Landefeld asked about the Comprehensive Plan change. Mr. Henderson said if they are entering into a developers agreement creating a mixed use village with a trailhead, residential, office, and retail, they would look to the City to sponsor the Comprehensive Plan amendment. Mr. Wagner said small scale comprehensive plan amendments can be processed at any time. Large scale amendments usually follow a twice a year schedule. None have been processed for some time, because Staff has been working on the EAR based amendments. After those are Page 6 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 completed (around December), it is expected that a once a year, or possibly, twice a year, schedule will resume. City Attorney Rosenthal said discussion about future scheduling of major scale comprehensive plan amendments and when the City would be in a position to commence reviews is on an agenda for a meeting with City Manager Gleason tomorrow in connection with another development. • e . Mayor Vandergrift said, if he understands the developer correctly�,what they want to do is to move to a point where we have an agreement and the Conprehensive`Plan can follow suit. Mr. Henderson said he understands the City is involyed in its evaluation and appraisal process. He said if they enter into a developers agreement;w;ith the City in which the City commits that it will make a Comprehensive Plan Amendment, that is fine with them. Chairman Bond asked if Mr. Henderson were suggesting�sth'at City Staff do the Comprehensive Plan Amendment change. Planning Director Wagner said the-developer\usually takes care of all the analyses. A large part of that is the traffic analysisiW1hithisa natural part of a project like this. Staff would ask the developer to provide all the'information. Mr: Wagner said he thought what Mr. Henderson intended was that<he City would_actually submit it to the state and they are looking _ for a positive recommendatiomfrom�the`Staff-and"the City if it were processed. Mr. Henderson said they would be morerthan happy to help the Staff prepare the application. Their traffic analysis is under way how, Mr. Henderson said they are asking that the City become the sponsor4gf the application�,If;they have the agreement that it is the City's recommendation to approve that;,thpy Will provide the necessary documentation. City Attorney Rosenthal said, under the typical process, decisions on Comprehensive Plan amendments, whether smalLscale'or large scale, would be made in conjunction with consideration of a PUD Land Use Plan and/or a Preliminary Subdivision Plan. That is not to say that legally there is any unpediment to adopting a Comprehensive Plan Amendment in advance of that. Having just heard it tonight, Mr. Rosenthal said he is reserving judgment as to whether or not Commission could enter into a developer agreement which would commit the City to adopt a Comprehensive Plan Amendment in advance of any of the public hearings on a specific amendment under the statutes, as he does not know if there is a procedure for doing that. Comprehensive Plan Amendments are legislative in nature, which essentially means the City Commission has very broad discretion in terms of whether they approve or disapprove them. He said, assuming the commercial node is the primary area for the Comprehensive Plan Amendment, Commission has a broad legislative right to say, "We just don't want commercial." If, in that context, Commission says, "Well, I don't know, but if you bring us Page 7 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 the right plan, and we are approving the plan, and we typically approve these all conditioned and tied to each other," Commission might say they approve it under this particular package in this particular case. If Commission should adopt a developer agreement or Comprehensive Plan Amendment in advance of the specific package, that does give certain legal rights to the developer because then any decisions after that point are essentially/quasi-judicial where the developer now has certain rights and entitlements to have Commis'sidn approve a plan. In other words, if there is something in the Village Center which might differ from tonight's proposal, or that Commission might not like, if it is not something'that is specifically regulated by City Codes, if Commission has already approved the Comprehensive Plan Amendment, the City Attorney might be advising that he hears what you,a`re saying but,tliey are entitled to the approval because this is what our Code says. He saidilie'thought from a philosophical standpoint there are some questions, and the more basic question, if Commissioners don't want commercial, tell everybody that so everybody has abroad guideline. If you are saying, yes, under right circumstances, you are interested in commercial';tell Staff and the developer that also. Then there is the sequencing question,once you get,through that. Mr. Henderson said they would be more than\happy-to^present'to the City a PUD application for the Village Center area to ensure that there is a clearuhderstanding of the terms and conditions for the development, all the-design criteria, those things as a part of that Developer's Agreement. So it w,ould run'parallel and be part of the public hearing process. They would be looking to Commission to then, if you agree with that, to bring the Comprehensive Plan in to confdrmance'with.the zoning and the PUD plan and the Developer's Agreement. \`. . Member West said he'liked theconcept of having some commercial along with residential development. N.,\ „`,1 . i Vice Chairman Landefeld asked if the commercial would be open to the public or if it would be limited to the residents.in the,gated community. Mr. Henderson said it would be most definitely open to the public, noting they have made a direct connection between their lakeside path tying into the Front Street'that comes through the back of the retail. Mr. Henderson said the West Orange Trail passes from Ingram Road through the project to the east side, and it will always be public. The lakeside path in the park community is private. Member Christoefl asked about the time frames planned for the development. What are they planning on building first as far as amenities and will it be included in the Development Agreement. Mr. Henderson said they would identify the developer's commitments and what facilities would be put in that are public and which ones are private, the timing of those in conjunction Page 8 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 with the development. For example, the Meadow Lakes area which is approximately 175 to 180 homes on the south side, that phase 1 development would include the park which is the Summer House. Member Christoefl said she would like to see something in the developer agreement that gives a time frame that guarantees that the development will occur north of Clarcona-Ocoee Road. She said she thought it would be nice if they:could start on some of the public area simultaneously with when the start on the development./Mr. Henderson said they cannot put them on specific time lines because of the market, but there could be commitment about the inter-relationship between development and amenities,. s Mr. Henderson said he realizes this is the boards' first,opportunity tb\see the plans. They would like to have an opportunity to come back for another work session.for which they would provide packets of information. ,/ e "� Max Jacobs, 2247 Mountain Spruce Street, asked what wastthe expected cost of the homes. Mayor Vandergrift said they would probably be a minimum of$175,000.00. • Commissioner Parker said she has been looki;g`at this,property with Mr. Dill since July, 1998. She said she does not want any big box shopping•.center. She prefers low key commercial and Mr. Dill has been yery,willing torlook at that. She said she wanted things that would serve the neighborhood and the users of the:Trail, not things that would attract shoppers from all over. She said the school area is,very important to her. She said she is not philosophically opposed to a small, nicely done townhouse arrangement, but she would want to see more details on that. Mostly she'wanted-the.people who live in this area to see what is being proposed, and to begin at this sage to talk to her and to the developer so that we do not end up going back to,tlie,drawing board after much money is expended on the part of the developer and muchtime on the part of staff. She thought there had been some excellent comments here tonight from members of'the audience and some things to consider. Overall the majority of this\ gems to be presented in the way they have been discussing it over the past three years. There are.\a\lot of details to be worked out, especially who is going to pay for Clarke Road, and how the traffic/is going to be handled. Clarke Road is quickly becoming a major thoroughfare, and tliere;have been a number of traffic problems on that road. Commissioner Anderson expressed concern about a financial commitment from the developer to the City and the County for a realigned West Orange Trail and a Trailhead as the residents of their development would benefit from them as well. Commissioner Anderson also asked why the whole project was not considered as a master plan PUD. Mr. Henderson said Mr. Dill sees the realigned West Orange Trail as an asset to their project, and, under this concept, Orange County and Mr. Dill would fund the reconstruction of the relocated Trail. That does not involve the City. As to the Trailhead, Mr. Dill would be giving Page 9 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 the land for it, but they would be looking to the County and the City to develop facilities within it. Mr. Henderson said as far as the R1AA zoning is concerned, they need to move forward with this project. They are looking at presenting a Developer's Agreement to lay out how that project is going forward. They feel that the southern village, the;Meadow Lakes Tract, is a very straight forward development. They need to get started, the)(are willing to make the commitments to the City concerning the overall project, but;tliey-•need to get something in the ground concerning this project. �;° ` • Mr. Henderson said, as to PUD, they feel that the PUD''concept for a`residential project in the City of Ocoee is so restrictive that it does not work.for'this project. They`believe that they can give a high quality development utilizing the simple<rezoning,to the south. The PUD that they would give the City would be for the Village Center. ..,I'would include the Trailhead, the retail areas, the office and the townhouse. He said they were'willing to make commitments in the form of a Developer's Agreement, along with`t. e.Village P\UD. \ Commissioner Howell said it looks like a beautiful,plan, ut there are things that would have to be changed and one of them is voting,on a Ctomprehensive Plan Amendment without knowing what is going in there,;' —--\ \ Mr. Henderson said they would present a PUD before they asked Commission to vote on a Developer's Agreement. The'Developer's Agreement would be in place before they asked Commission to vote on a Comprehensive Plan Amendment. He said before they come back to Commission they would beworking\with Staff in the form of a draft Developer's Agreement to present this information. Staff-speeds to have an opportunity to review that and give input to Commission. <' ; \, N Mayor Vandergrift said,he had,heard no overwhelming objections in the comments expressed in the meeting. He saidA\e'thougl(t there was a lot of ground work that we needed to go through to get from "point'a"r,td "point b." He said, basically, they have given direction to Staff that they do not have an`overwhelming disagreement with the concept. City Manager Gleason said he did not want to leave the impression that they could be back with a negotiated Developer's Agreement in 30 days. He said there were some issues to be worked out. Mayor Vandergrift asked Mr. Dill if he felt he had had a fair hearing tonight and had gotten a direction to take, and Mr. Dill concurred. Page 10 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 Mr. Henderson thanked everyone for their time and input. He said they look forward to working with the City and will be back with all the details. RECESS: 9:10 p.m. - 9:22 p.m. Mayor Vandergrift asked that the record show Chairman Bond hal1,tb be excused due to illness, and Vice Chairman Landefeld would act in her stead. WESTRIDGE PUD, CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ``y f. \ N Stan Nutt, 7630 Torino Court, Orlando, 32835, spoke as president of Detw,orth Properties, the owner of the residential portion of the PD, and41iehalfopGlenmere Properties Limited, the owner of the nine acres at the corner of Maguire,and Moore Roads. •./ / He said they had come before Commission about this project four years ago and were • participating in this workshop at the request of City_,Manager`Gleason to discuss issues related to their proposed plan. He said they wanted\to ekehange ideas/With members of the community and the boards to try to see if the eeis not a�common framework from which to work to pursue an approval and a formal application'for the approval of the Westridge PD. Mr. Nutt said they have 62 useable acresncluding\the residential and commercial elements of the PD. On a conceptual plan for the project_he pointed out the proposed uses on the property and the perimeter which include: /f/. • Four acres,for-commercial'at the corner of Maguire and Moore Roads; • Five acres of professional office space; • Approi hIiately 150 d `etached single family units at a minimum lot size of 65' x 105'; �,i�� i • A 2.5 acrepark and recreation tract (amenities not yet determined); • A second entry, to,Moore Road for the residential. Mayor Vandergrift asked where the new school will be in relationship to this project. Mr. Nutt said the new school and park will be directly adjacent and to the south of the project. Mr. Nutt said they also have a conceptual plan for the commercial site. He said the 4 acres of commercial are approximately 300 feet deep along Maguire Road. All commercial development will be in accordance with the newly enacted City Code for Activity Centers. He said 5 acres of professional office space will be designed in accordance with the Ocoee LDC for minimum building coverage ratios, etc. They will commit to tile roofs on all the Page 11 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 commercial and office facilities. He pointed out access points on Maguire Road and Moore Road. Mr. Nutt said they were here for input from the City Commission, the Planning and Zoning Commission and the residents to try to work through some of the issues in a preliminary fashion and see where it takes them. City Manager Gleason said Commissioner Johnson had been d'elyed at work, and he wished to share Commissioner Johnson's comments for the record.(\.Commissioner Johnson had met with Stan Nutt yesterday, and felt he could support the project and the,plan based on information provided by Mr. Nutt with regard to the arcliitectural look based on what is being built on the west side of the road. Concerns that Commissioner:Johnson Wanted on the record were that no gas station would be allowed on the cbminercial.corner and that a higher end restaurant would be sought for the west side of the Nutt's property along Maguire Road. Other concerns included gating and the accesseroad. Further to the east, there is an issue that has gone on this past year involving Orange Couynt Public..Schools and Orange County because there is a dirt road which has been refer`red`tb-as Moore Road which, in reality, is not a road. Portions of private property which belong to,Mr..;Nutt and the Strange family are being used as roadway. Mr. Nutt,aid-he is not opposed to meeting with the City, Orange County, and Orange County Public,S'chools to see(what might be a feasible solution. Mr. Gleason pointed out that Mr. Nutt's openness to\consider that issue should have no bearing on what they are asking to develop�on their property\,.He pointed out that the City did not approve the development that Is\at.the grid of-Moore Road. He said Commissioner Johnson may arrive later in the meeting, but he wanted those concerns on the record. Commissioner Johnson had said he could-support the'concept for Mr. Nutt's development in principle. Mr. Nutt said they do not object1to the testriction against a gas station at the corner. In further regard to theommercial and office development, it has always been their intent to do quality development. 4 e.,said it has been four years since he bought the Westridge property, at least the residential portion: He said at that time they were very well aware what was going on across the street on Belmerre./Mr. Nutt said it had been his goal to beat the Belmere project to the punch, but that did not happen. He said he was actively developing projects on the Belmere side, and they are the authors of the improvements going in the north section of Belmere. He said when those improvements come to fruition, it will be apparent that they are capable, and it is their good faith intent to do quality development. Mayor Vandergrift asked Mr. Nutt to describe what is going to happen on the southwest corner of the Belmere project. Mr. Nutt said they are zoned for five acres of commercial, 180 multi-family units, and a five acre assisted living facility site. None of these are being actively pursued now for development. He said commercial facilities usually come in after the roof tops. He said there are also almost 800 single family detached lots in the Belmere project. He Page 12 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 solicited any questions they might have concerning the residential element and any specific questions they might have related to the commercial element, he will defer to his father, Gordon Nutt. Member McKey asked about architectural concepts. Mr. Nutt responded that the materials to be.used will be brick, tile, and a limited amount of stucco. He said'it is their intent to carry out the same materials on the east side of Maguire Road as what t1ey are going to do on the west side so the intersection of Maguire/Moore/Roberson willhave`a uniform appearance. He said they had spent a lot of time designing the improvements and infrastructure at Belmere. Mr. McKey asked for an example of their large commercial anchor and`Mr. Nutt said they did not know at this time. Mr. McKey recommended/that "65' wide lets have got to go." Commissioner Anderson pointed out that was alrea'dy'in the/PUD, and Mr. Nutt said they were currently zoned for 60' lots. i f City Manager Gleason said the residential portion could go forward as it has already been approved in terms of the use. He said they4were-seekingnput,on the likelihood/feasibility of having the commercial and professional on the corne`r.-.That'acreage is now residential and is not part of his proposed development, but it could have-an`impact in reference to entranceways, gates, roads, etc. It was.:brought here to see-if, conceptually, someone might have an issue that could be raised nowt.If it is acceptable in concept, Staff can follow the usual s process. ; Member Christoefl said she liv\es`off of-Maguire'Road and thinks they do not need more commercial sites. She enumerated all the commercial property already along Maguire. Mr. Nutt asked what she would consider to•be a compatible use and she said she would prefer single family development forthe\sittee.. She said residents who had bought homes along Maguire Road did`not want a home in a'Speedway of commercial property. Dr. Bob Ferdinand`spoke in support of residential use for the site. He said he represented some of the owners of the Plantation Grove PUD. He recalled the history of the establishment of the Maguire Road corridor-including the basin study, master drainage system design, roadwork design, utilities, and zoning. He said in all those years the City has never altered that plan, and he stressed the importance of keeping past commitments. He said if more non- residential uses are added to the mixed use corridor, the residential flavor will disappear. He said this property was never zoned for commercial. Member McKey said he understands Ms. Christoefl's reluctance about the commercial. He said he could support professional use if it would blend with residential. He said he would like to know from planning staff what could be done to lock that in if that is the choice that is made. Page 13 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 Mayor Vandergrift said the developer mentioned in the beginning that he would meet the new Activity Center restrictions that the City has put in place. Member McKey said what is promised is not always what is delivered. Commissioner Johnson arrived at 9:50 p.m. • Edward Morganto, 11012 Groveshire Court, spoke in oppositi n to commercial and in support of residential use for the site. ' i l \ Vice Chairman Landefeld agreed with Members Christoefl and Mckey\in supporting residential use for the site. , , David Maclntyre, 919 Grovesmere Loop, president of the,Windermere Groves Homeowners Association, said he would like to have the opportunity to'take this to their board and bring the board's comments back before a decision is made. As a''sir gle resident in the area, he spoke in support of residential use. He asked if conimpr'cial were allowd, if it would be single story, and Mr. Nutt said there would be a 35' building heijghtelimitation so it would be single story. Commissioner Anderson suggested-increasing,lot size and re requiring tile roofs. He said a gg � q g change to commercial use would,brmg-a windfall for the Nutts, and asked how that would benefit the City. He asked how`large a building\could be placed on the four acre commercial area. Mr. Stan Nutt said the building.on-the_cornpr site could be a maximum of 10,000 square feet. He said all of the'commercial`square footages are largely derived from the Code. He said there are maximum buildingccoverage ratios to deal with, and the new ordinances are very restrictive. . Commissioner Park had no comments. Mr. Gordon Nutt, theegeneral partner of the partnership that owns the nine acre corner, pointed out that the commercial'four acres as proposed would be three buildings. He said high quality commercial tenants would want prime locations. Mayor Vandergrift asked if Roberson Road was scheduled to be four-laned. Mr. Gordon Nutt said he made available additional right of way for the four laning of Roberson Road in connection with Belmere. Member Christoefl said there is a bank, a pharmacy in Publix, and more commercial property is available. She said, instead of commercial development, homes should abut the park and school which will be located to the south. Page 14 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 City Manager Gleason addressed the economic issue, pointing out there is good and bad on each side of growth. He said commercial development "pays its way" with more taxes while residential development has greater costs because of the services that are involved as well as impacts on schools which are already overcrowded. Member Christoefl said she thought nine acres of residential growth would have little impact on the schools. Commissioner Anderson asked Mr. Gordon Nutt if a fast food restaurant might be a tenant for this area. Mr. Nutt said it was possible, but whoever•;became a tenant would have to meet architectural standards. He said Bank of America needs'a presence in thearea. Mr. Nutt cited examples of residential development at major,inteisections>which resulted in blight. He said quality commercial development would be preferable to ghat outcome. Mr. Morganto said the new school would be oversubscribed. He expressed concern about the possibility of a three story office building and..about additibnal,traffic which would exacerbate traffic problems which already exist on Maguire�Mr. Stan Nutt said the offices would be one story. � ' f '� Commissioner Johnson apologized'for-.,being 1atec iue to his work. He said the project is in •his district and he and Mr. Gleas n had stalked with\the applicants last night. He said he wants input from homeowner associations in,the--area and,that he is personally unsure about commercial development for the area He`said_h_e would not want fast food (such as hamburger, pizza, tacos). He said he does not know if placing nine acres of residential on the corner is a good thing'either. --He wants to hear the opinions of the Wesmere, Cross Creek and Windermere Groves'Homeowners Associations. He said his main objective will be to keep an open mind and to(get the perspective from the citizens who live in the area. • Commissioner Howell Said he agrees with Commissioner Johnson. He wants to see what homeowners in the area want. / Mr. Stan Nutt said a Land Use Plan had been approved in 1991 for 60' lots. He said he purchased the property in 1998 and submitted a Preliminary Subdivision Plan for the residential portion in 1999. He said in December 1999 Staff had responded with 150 comments to which he has not responded. He felt the comments were so restrictive and unreasonable with respect to extractions from him that it was not possible to develop the residential section. He had wanted to designate the nine acres (which he does not personally own) as future development and just not address it. He said he knew he would not beat Belmere to the punch based on processing delays. He said having conditions such as a gate and designating the corner as future development were not feasible. He would like feedback from Commission with respect to their current approval which is for 60' lots. He said he Page 15 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 cannot compete with Belmere now unless he differentiates his product such as with a lower price. City Attorney Rosenthal said this is a single project approved PUD, 100% residential, and the City Commission had disapproved an amendment to commercial,, so the Staff comments to which he refers related to posturing the project in a manner which`wbuld have been inconsistent with the vote of the City Commission. He said he/suspected that, if he were to come in today for a residential project which would not invole'residential on the front portion, the Staff comments would probably be similar because it is'a'single,PU,D. He said the Staff certainly would not review it on an assumption that it would not be residential in the future unless there was some direction to that effect from the`City Commissiori:., Responding to a question by Mayor Vandergrift, Mr. Rosenthal said the cornedwas also included as residential in the approved PUD to which they are referring. `The,Westridge PUD, which was brought in by Pat Christiansen, has the entire project as PUD. It\sets,forth the conditions of approval and addresses issues with respect to improvements to Seventh,Avenue. From a PUD standpoint, it does not have anywhere near the number of provisions tht\we would have for a PUD if it were coming in today. There is an entitlemerit,andda'right for\,them to develop the entire property. But this was a single ownership, was\soleas-a,single ownership, and the owner made a voluntary decision to split it-in-two, which'is not a'decision made by the City of Ocoee. It was not pursuant to any re-subdivision or subdivision of the Plan. We look at it based on the Developer Agreement and the approval in/place which is for 100% residential until such time as the City Commission tells<the,Staff other-wise. One of the reasons for bringing the e'g discussion here tonight was to°get\soniuidanceand direction both from the standpoint of the developer (whether they should be spending money pursuing after the effort four years ago which obviously was frustrating), but also to the extent these issues are coming before the Staff, what the Staff/should be°doingin°looking at it. He said he did not believe that particular application is cons'idered an active application, but there is obviously a right to re-submit it, or whatever, at any time.'., \ ) ,I Mr. Gordon Nutt said, m'his,view, four years ago they were exactly where they are today. He said that nine acres came about as a result of accommodating a deal they had made with the City of Ocoee to provide some commercial in exchange for getting rid of some apartments. He said it was not of their doing. He said there were many issues involved, especially Seventh Avenue, which had not been mentioned. He said they were making a good faith effort to present a high quality development with four acres of commercial with a quality adjoining single story office complex interrelated with pedestrian walkways, with all tile roof, and lot widths changed from 60' to 65'. He said if they want to discuss what they could work out with respect to Seventh Avenue, they would be happy to cooperate and talk about that too. But to leave this meeting as a workshop and have nothing more than what we have right now to go back with, he would say they are right back where they were four years ago. He said they were hoping to get feedback in the workshop so they could move on and solve their problems Page 16 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 and resolve these issues. He said they had made every effort from their side to make this work. Mayor Vandergrift said we have heard the pros and cons, but it is unclear to him why they could not go ahead and develop the residential as it is now, with the\other parcels held out. He said Mr. Nutt would have to go through the steps of making the proposal. Mr. Nutt said they tried to do that. They had met, discussed, and agreed to a metlfbd`by which they would make the application. They pursued with that application and it wag/earthed by City Staff. He said they were told they would have to provide a revised Land Use Plan\for,the entire PUD. He said they felt they were being given a hard time, and they do not wan`t,to>be continuing on that road. Eric Strange, 1177 Seventh Avenue, said, as Mr.`Nutt had/Mentioned, obviously there is a problem on Seventh Avenue. He asked if 65' instead of6lots would reduce density, the number of residents within the PUD, traffic onroads, and the number of children in the schools. City Manager Gleason said the City had met',with Teresa Jacobs and County Commission Staff and Orange County School Board-.involy i,Seventh Avenue and school access. He agreed the issue involving the roadway-d6es affecttthe Nutts' property. i Mr. Gordon Nutt said City Staff had expressed some interest in Stan going out to Seventh Avenue as a second entrance. \He�.sugge"sted-anotlier workshop session may be needed, as they do not have a feeling of confidence about pursuing anything right now. Mayor Vandergrift asked if there ere any comments for the good of the order. \ Mr. Maclntyre supported Mr. Niutt's suggestion to return for another workshop. He invited the developer to speak,to•,their homeowners association about his plans to see if they could reach some measure of cmisensus'so the local citizens could support the plan and voice that to Mr. Nutt in another workshop, Commissioner Howell recalled past discussions about allowing commercial on the nine acres in exchange for other considerations, so there is more they need to look at before Commission makes a decision. Mayor Vandergrift said it should be reviewed because it is important that the City honor its commitments. Commissioner Johnson said he wanted to meet with the homeowners associations and the Nutts and Mr. Stan Nutt said he would be happy to participate in those meetings. Page 17 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 Mr. Morganto expressed anger that Mr. Nutt would build millionaire homes on the Windermere side and 60' lots in Ocoee. Mr. Gordon Nutt said he was not building any homes, and he believed Mr. Morganto had him confused with someone else. Merle Denbesten, 30 North Main Street, Windermere, said his family had recently purchased a two acre parcel at the corner of Moore Road and Seventh Avenue. He fully agreed that the Seventh Avenue question needs to be considered. He said he'thbught it would be out of character for the area and very unfortunate for the Nutts to go ahead With a project that incorporated 60' lots. Mayor Vandergrift pointed out that the City had required Cross Creek to"pave Moore Road and the subdivision to the left on Seventh Avenue mn,iinincorpo ated Orange County had to pave only 100 feet of roadway. �'�•',` / Mr. Denbesten asked when the school will•\be opened and\l tayor Vandergrift said he believes it is scheduled to be opened August\2002.-,„ •. `.' Mr. Stan Nutt pointed out that smaller.lots dd\n'ot necessarily mean lower cost homes. He said he was doing 55' lots in the Blniere•subdiuision and the average price is probably going to be about $230,000. He saidesmaller lots do not always mean cheap product. Commissioner Johnson statecl4ai0his request to meet with the developer and the homeowners to work out the issues, either at Lake Whitney or in the Commission Chambers. Mayor Vandergrift asked if`the'hemeov.pers had been invited to attend this meeting, and City Manager Gleason said the applicants had sent notices as they would for a general public meeting although thatis not typically required for a workshop. Member McKey suggestecl',etending the area for notification of residents from 300 feet to possibly 1,000 feet, as he 'received complaints from citizens who were unaware of neighboring projects. Mayor Vandergrift suggested that Mr. McKey gather information from other entities about their area for notification so the Commission might consider it. He said Commissioners had not received complaints. Commissioner Anderson said he thought helpful information had been brought out in the workshop and Commission had learned a lot about this piece of property and the history of it. Commissioner Parker urged care in thinking about the project in an effort to come to a good, fair resolution that will make everybody happy. Page 18 of 19 Joint Workshop with Ocoee City Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission June 12, 2001 City Manager Gleason confirmed that the consensus was to continue to work with Mr. Stan Nutt and his schedule and trying to coordinate with Cross Creek, Windermere Groves and Wesmere Homeowners Associations, then getting background on what took place involving the nine acres and the apartments, etc. And then schedule a second workshop either at the elementary school or in the Commission Chambers in order to have\input from the three homeowners associations in the area and also some background fo'rtlie Commission. / Commissioner Johnson stressed that he wanted the homeowners associations to meet with the developer and himself as Commissioner for the district. V °. Commissioner Parker said they need to meet with the liomeowners themselves to work this out and then let Commission know what that resolution would/be. ADJOURNMENT \ The meeting adjourned at 10:40 p.m. { \\,, ,APPROVED: Attest: ---.N \,./(Clity of Ocoee 7 `N \ / 4\\ / l Marian Green, Deputy City Clerk: (, S. Scott Vandergrift, Mayor Marian Green, Deputy Gity,,Clerk' Pat Bond, Chairman Planning and Zoning Commission Page 19 of 19