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MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
ACTING AS THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY
MEETING HELD TUESDA V, JULY 10, 2007
CALL TO ORDER
Chairman West called the meeting to order at 7:03 p.m. Following a moment of
silent meditation and the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, a quorum was declared
present.
PRESENT: Chairman West, Vice Chair Golden, Members Campbell, Conkling,
Dillard, Morris, Rhodus, McKey, and Sills. Also present were City
Attorney Palmer, Principal Planner Fabre, Community Development
Director Wagner, and Recording Clerk Moseley.
ABSENT: none.
CONSENT AGENDA
Minutes of the Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting held on
Tuesday, June 12, 2007.
Member CamlJbe//, seconded bv Member McKev, moved to accept the Minutes
of the June 12. 2007. Plannina and Zonina Commission meetina. Motion carried
unanimouslv.
OLD BUSINESS
None
NEW BUSINESS
FOUNTAINS WEST PUD - PRELIMINARY/FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAN AND
PRELIMINARY/FINAL SITE PLAN FOR LOT 6 - PUBLIC HEARING
Principal Planner Fabre stated the subject property is located on the northeast
corner of the intersection of West Road and Ocoee-Apopka Road and showed a
location map. He explained that this meeting was also presenting the
Preliminary/Final Site Plan for Lot 6, which was the Publix shopping center. The
property encompasses :.t: 43.03 acres of land of which :.t: 4.73 acres will be
designated as wetland/conservation to be dedicated to the City. Additionally as
part of the onsite wetland mitigation, 1.1 acre will be dedicated to the City as a
Public Trail (Tract G). The subject property is currently undeveloped and sparsely
covered with a small mixture of sand pine, scrub and laurel oak trees and other
varieties of trees scattered around the property.
Principal Planner Fabre showed the boundary survey of the property and
additional maps and exhibits. He discussed the dedicated right-of-way and the
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proposed developer agreement that will be presented to City Commission
tomorrow evening. He said that West Road will eventually be vacated and half will
go to property owner while the other half to the City, Lot 7. He showed the final
alignment, which he thought Orange County would be voting on next month and
thought it was confirmed to start development. He anticipated the realignment
construction would be done by August of next year.
DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE
The Development Review Committee (ORC) met on June 28,2007, and reviewed
the Fountains West PUD. There were minor technical issues to be addressed
from the City Attorney and Engineering Department that were identified in written
staff comments and presented verbally. All of the issues were discussed and all
changes to the "Plans" were agreed upon. The applicant proposed some revised
changes to the "West Road Turnlanes" Development Agreement. Staff and the
developer compromised and collectively agreed upon some of the revised
changes.
After discussion was completed, the DRC voted unanimously to recommend
approval of the Fountains West Preliminary/Final Subdivision Plan and
Preliminary/Final Site Plan for Lot 6, subject to the changes discussed being
made to the plans (date stamped June 13, 2007) and approval of the "West Road
Turnlanes" Development Agreement.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION
Staff recommends that the Planning and Zoning Commission recommend
approval of the Fountains West Preliminary/Final Subdivision Plan and
Preliminary/Final Site Plan for Lot 6, subject to resolving the last remaining issues
addressed in the attached City Attorney's review memorandum and the
Engineering Department review memorandum prior to the Pre-Construction
Meeting for the project; and further, subject to approval of the "West Road
Turnlanes" Development Agreement.
Principal Planner Fabre stated the City Commission will meet on this tomorrow
and those items will be taken care of administratively.
DISCUSSION
Member McKey asked about the West Road alignment being set up with Orange
County. Principal Planner Fabre said he understood it was ready to be voted on.
Member McKey asked about the COA's that were still questionable and if that
was resolved. Principal Planner Fabre said those are mainly typographical
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errors or the wrong language from what the City wanted. City Attorney Palmer
clarified that most items were already handled and some items are repetitive;
however, most can be handled by the pre-construction meeting. Member McKey
asked about the trail's ending point. Chairman West said it would probably
continue on and meet up with the West Orange Trail. Principal Planner Fabre
said it goes up to Tract 1 and will most likely connect at the time of development.
Member McKey inquired about the lack of a tree survey and if they knew of any
trees that could be saved within the parking area. Principal Planner Fabre
showed the aerial map again and said the dark area will remain conservation. He
said that he and the Community Development Director went out themselves to the
area and did not see any significant oak trees that seemed worthy of preserving.
He said there is a condition that the trees have to be preserved on some lots until
the building permit was issued; however, they did not see any trees that seemed
significant of preserving.
Member McKey thanked the developer for saving some of that land for
conservation. He also asked about cart corrals and if they were designed like they
have at Wal-Mart; he felt those do not get used because of the way they are
designed whereas the bushes hide them too much and it seems dangerous for
women.
Vice-Chair Golden asked about the 100 year flood plain around the property and
if it comes up on wetland. Principal Planner Fabre said according to the FEMA
map, there is no 100 year flood plan on site, just wetlands. During the review
process they made sure their finished floors were above the calculated flood zone
for that area. Vice-Chair Golden asked why we are going through a preliminary
and final all at the same time. Principal Planner Fabre said the applicant has the
right to go through both at their own cost and if there is a problem they will have to
pay for it and fix it at their cost. He felt they could handle it.
Vice-Chair Golden asked if they would see details of the outparcels or the church
property at this time or were they too small to see at this date. Principal Planner
Fabre said Lot 8, the church parcel, may come back to this board if the buildings
and structures all add up to over 25,000 sq. ft. and are designated as Large Scale,
then they will come back. Vice-Chair Golden inquired about restaurants serving
alcohol and the required setbacks for that being near a church property and if that
would be a problem. Principal Planner Fabre said there is a 1000 ft. required
setback for a drinking establishment to be away from a church; however,
restaurants may serve alcohol without being a pure drinking establishment. He
did not think that rule would apply in this case because the alcohol sales would
need to be over 50% and a restaurant would not fall into that category.
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Community Development Director Wagner said there was a condition of
approval for that topic and the only thing that would be affected in that rule would
be an actual bar, not a restaurant.
Vice-Chair Golden inquired about the full cost for the turn lane and if the City's
engineers have prepared an estimate. Community Development Director
Wagner stated the City Engineer reviewed it and felt it was a reasonable amount
of money. He explained that the developer was still responsible for the left turn
lane and the dollar amount given will cover the right turn lanes. Vice-Chair
Golden further inquired about the lack of a tree survey and stated his concerns.
He asked that in the future they do require that a survey be performed.
Chairman West asked if the trail would come down by the outparcel and what the
width of it would be. Principal Planner Fabre said eventually when it connects to
the West Orange Trail, people will be able to follow it into this development and
buy some ice cream or something. Community Development Director Wagner
added that the trail goes down to 10 feet because it is a neighborhood trail;
however, the West Orange Trail is 14 feet wide.
Community Development Directory Wagner said the City Commission has a
special meeting for this project tomorrow night because of the time restraints and
assured the board that the minor issues would be resolved administratively.
The Public Hearing was opened for the Fountains West PUD.
Hal Kantor, Attorney, said this has been a very long effort and the staff has been
thorough with their reviews. He believes there are a few minor issues, but he is
confident those will be resolved. His involvement has been mostly in connection
with trying to resolve issues between Orange County, the City, and the developer
for West Road to be constructed. He thought it was good for the client and the
community, and Orange County was cooperative with them.
Vice-Chair Golden inquired about the traffic going into Publix and the church
traffic counts. Joe Kolb, VHB Engineer, said the two did not have the same peak
hours so the numbers are small in comparison. Vice-Chair Golden asked about
the landscape plans and was directed to the staff report for details. He inquired
about the pond and wetlands, and whether they were expected to take care of the
drainage from the church as well. Mr. Kolb said it is only expected to handle the
outparcels; it has to do with the Lake Apopka rule and adds a lot of expense to the
project.
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Vice-Chair Golden asked about the dry pond, opposed to a wet pond, and why
they chose not to do a tree survey. Mr. Kolb said he thought there were only
some trees they could truly saved and tree surveys are expensive to do. They did
not feel as though it would be beneficial for such a small number of trees.
Community Development Director Wagner said staff did an extensive survey of
their own and drove all over the site. He said the aerial footage always make it
look like a lot; however, there are many shrubs and pine trees and only few oak
trees along West Road. He explained that the City's tree person does go out and
mark trees they feel are worth saving, but very few are significant. Community
Development Director Wagner said they can do a detailed staff report on that
type of study in the future.
Vice-Chair Golden mentioned the conditions 20-23, 24 regarding clearing lot
ahead of time, and said they mostly refer to residential and this is commercial. He
asked how that applies to commercial development. Community Development
Director Wagner said on commercial sites it is easy to tell up front where the
trees can be saved, whereas in a residential subdivision they cannot tell until the
house is there what the configuration will allow. In commercial, the grading is set
so they can tell early on and they were not worried about that with this site at all.
Vice-Chair Golden had one last question about the cabbage palm trees and if
there was any way to change those. Mr. Kolb said he did not mind working
something else out with staff. Chair West said he likes the cabbage palms
because they are more native to Florida and this area.
Angela Stanley, HOA President of Vineyards Subdivision, spoke on behalf of
her neighborhood. She stated the following concerns:
(1) Traffic route of delivery trucks into the plaza during the night -
concerned with loud noise while residents are sleeping.
(2) Outparcellots on Ocoee-Apopka Road - concerned that there would
be no public hearing on what will be filing those parcels and they
were afraid a drinking establishment would go in and would stay
open late at night.
Chair West said they were not allowing any fast food chains on the outparcels
and thought a bank would be going in. Hal Kantor said they did prohibit fast food
because of those stated concerns. Community Development Director Wagner
said there is a table of what would be permitted and fast food is not. He said a sit-
down restaurant or retail store would be permitted and they do have two banks
stating interest in the other two lots. He added that a sit-down restaurant with
outdoor seating would be oriented toward the shopping center.
Joe Kolb answered the question regarding the traffic routes. He said both West
Road and Ocoee-Apopka Road could be used for trucks because both entrances
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lead to the back of the store. There should be no use for the middle entrance in
front of The Vineyards. He said there is no opportunity for trucks pulling in back to
turn around so they would need to go in one street and out another. Angela
Stanley asked about the large truck brakes at the Ocoee-Apopka Road entrance
waking people late at night. Another concern was for additional traffic lighting.
Chair West said it would be too close to the light already there so that shouldn't
be an option.
Mark Brisson, resident of Vineyards Subdivision, said that he had a few
additional concerns:
(1) Many churches have daycares and schools and asked if that
would be an issue. He thought with the high volume of traffic
already on Ocoee-Apopka Road from the high school that there
might be a restriction for the church on this.
(2) Is there anything written into it as to how bright those lights would
be at night or if it would shine into the neighborhoods after 10
p.m.
(3) Progress Energy substation proposed on the South side of West
Road - they have 3 residents on the South side and will anything
be taking place on the South side of West Road.
(4) He asked someone to explain where the entrance would be for
the right and left turning lanes, for West Road or Ocoee-Apopka
Road or both.
Chair West said the daycare issue he is not sure of and it seems with the
population in that area that it would be welcomed. Principal Planner Fabre
mentioned that the developer did request for the use of a daycare. He added that
when the church body comes in that they have to go through a preliminary/final
site plan and that will be brought to Commission. At such time, they would look at
traffic flows for a daycare facility. As far as lighting, he said they have worked with
the developer to implement the correct lighting according to the code. The foot
candle measurement is done on the ground and all lighting is shooting down and
there will be no spill-over night pollution. He said they even include looking at the
lights on the building and not only the posts.
Principal Planner Fabre stated the project has many turn lanes and most are
right and left into the project. He said the last thing they spoke of was the two
right turning lanes coming into the project and the realignment. They have to
make sure that realignment is the final and they all match up appropriately. He
explained where all of the turn lanes would be.
Chair West said Progress Energy was ready to go on West Road a year ago and
nothing has happened yet. He said there is a 3 acre parcel along side that was
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owned by a gentleman, and a 5 acre parcel beside that was owned by another
lady. There have been inquiries of a storage facility in that area but he doesn't
know of anything else. Mark Brisson clarified if a Froggers or a Hooters type of
restaurant would be permitted since they are actually sit-down restaurants. Chair
West was not sure of that. Member McKey stated that many of these outparcels
are small and don't come before the board; therefore, was there some way that
neighbors would be notified of the establishment before it takes place.
Community Development Director Wagner said there is no process of notifying
them of small scale plans; however, if she leaves her name they can make an
effort to contact her once someone comes in for these parcels. He said there is a
requirement in this subdivision that there be no parking lots alongside the road, it
must be green. So if an outside dining area were to come they would be pushed
to the inside of the parking lot, and not the outside road facing their neighborhood.
Jeanette Watson, 2103 West Road, asked where Publix would get their power
from if Progress Energy is not there yet. Chair West assured her that Progress
Energy would get it all done in time.
The Public hearing was closed.
Member McKev. seconded bv Member Sills. moved to approve the Fountains
West Preliminary/Final Subdivision Plan and the Preliminary/Final Site Plan for Lot
6. based on the recommendation of the DRC and staff. as date stamped received
bv the Citv on June 13. 2007. subiect to resolvina the last remainina issues
addressed and attached to the attomev's review memorandum and the
enaineerina proiect review. and further subiect to the approval of the West Road
tumina lanes development aareement. Motion carried 8-0. with Chair West
abstainina. Chair West completed a Memorandum of Votina Conflict form.
MISCELLANEOUS
Community Development Director Wagner announced that this project would
go before City Commission tomorrow evening at 6 p.m. and he believed it would
be a televised meeting.
Chair West commented that staff worked really hard on this project and he
believed it would be really nice for the citizens out that way. He had heard rumors
of other nice things that might be coming to that area as well.
PROJECT STATUS REPORT
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None.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 8:09 p.m.
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