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44610., DECEMBER 13, 1988
The meeting was called to order at 7:35 P.M. by Chairman
Swickerath.
PRESENT: Chairman Swickerath, Vice - Chairman Smith, Board Members:
Linebarier, Switzer, and Weeks, Planning Director Behrens, Senior
Planner Harper, and Secretary King.
ABSENT: Board Members: Bello and Bond and Alternate: Breeze
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
There were no corrections or additions to the Minutes of the
Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting held on November 9, 1988.
Harold Switzer moved to approve the minutes as printed of
November 9, 1988. Burton Smith seconded and the motion carried
unanimously.
NEW BUSINESS
Modular Building for the Police Department /Request for Zoning
Agenda.
Planning Director Behrens presented to the Board background
information relating to the reason the Police Department needed a
12x56 trailer parked in the parking lot behind the police
station. After digesting the reasons Chairman Swickerath
questioned planning staff on whether this request had been
advertised. Staff responsed that they did not realize this
request had not been duly advertised. In the Ocoee's Land
Development Regulations, Section 6. - Public Buildings and
Services, 6.1. and 6.2 it states, "After a public notice and
hearing by the planning and zoning commission the city commission
may authorize the location in any zoning district of any public
buildings erected by, or any use of, municipal, county, state or
federal government."
Chairman Swickerath suggested Staff to have the police
department's request advertised as a public hearing and brought
back to the next appointed Planning and Zoning Meeting (January
10, 1988). Since the Chief was present the board decided to
briefly discuss the request so Boyd would have some indication
where they stood. John Boyd, Chief of Police made comment to his
request that he was looking for some kind of direction from
Planning and Zoning and did not mind coming back on January 10th.
He continued by giving a brief background and a description of
location. Chief Boyd commented that the trailer would be located
behind the police station, in the parking lot, at the property
between City Hall and the Police Department. The trailer would
be parallel facing the parking lot. It would not eliminate
parking spaces, it would be on the other side of the wall
(shrubs). The trailer would be in use for approximately two
years.
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Boyd commented that he had considered the Maguire House in using
it for administrative or C.I.D. units. The main objection is to
have large enough area for the patrol division.
Linebarier moved for the Board to support the particular building
and to postpone the vote until the public hearing would be
advertised. The motion was amended to say: that the Planning
Department was asked to advertise immediately so that a public
hearing could be held at the next meeting. Burton Smith
seconded. Chairman Swickerath commented that the police
department's problem is just the surface of what the city is
getting into. He wanted to see the P &Z Board, if it so desires,
to ask the City Commission to do a through study (inventory) of
all the space in Ocoee in municipal buildings, make some kind of
reasonable determination as what the City is going to need in the
year 2010. It would be less cost effective if all the city's
needs are addressed at one time. The vote was called for and the
motion carried unanimously.
Maxim Construction Corporation, Petitions 18R -88 and 15C -88,
Marshall Farms Road and S.R. 50 - Public Hearing
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Planning Director Behrens read over the Staff Report of November
29, 1988, then turned the report over to Senior Planner Julian
Harper who had done an extensive study of the project site.
Harper began by pointing out the location of the property on a
map to the board members and informed them that for some reason
the petition was dropped from the normal rezoning /comprehensive
plan amendment loop, so that was why it was brought back before
the board. Harper continued by discussing his findings which
were given in the Staff Report.
Harper's recommendation upon the petitioner's request was to deny
the zoning request without prejudice for a period of one year.
This would give the petitioner ample time to come forward with a
complete traffic study at the petitioner's expense to give the
City an opportunity to see if it is possible to resolve the
problems in such a way that the public's health safety welfare is
maintained and also to recommend intersection improvements and
turn lane improvements and whatever is necessary for the
intersection. Harper commented that neither he or city staff had
the competency to do such a study.
Chairman Swickerath stated that he thought this project had been
before the board before and that the board felt positively
towards it or voted in favor for allowing Maxim /Cardinal to
develop a model center on the site. A board member stated that
according to the staff report that was handed out before the
meeting that Maxim withdrew their request for the model center.
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Harper stated that the zoning on Marshall Farms Road is primarily
Commercial, C -1, C -2 and C -3 and some industrial. The petition
was not withdrawn but had been amended from C -3 to C -2. The
original public hearing that was held, Maxim came in and based on
the strength of the zoning they received from Orange County, they
wanted to proceed to develop a model center prior to formally
completing the zoning from Unclassified zoning to C -3 zoning.
The City Commission saw fit to give them the opportunity to do
that. But, basically what happened back on January 13, 1988,
Russ Wagner made six stipulations of which the first three which
they objected to delt with highway improvements, streets and
sidewalks. What happened then was that the representive at that
time stated that he had instructions not to go along with the
first three stipulations and he asked for a deferral until such
time he could get back with his superiors to see if they would go
along with the first three stipulations. In the mean time, from
January to September of 1988 staff had not heard from them.
Harper continued that this in a way is a direct relationship but
indirectly related to what staff and the board is trying to do.
It's rather unusual for them to request permission to develop and
plat their land without receiving proper zoning. The City
Commission will not allow them to do that. Basically, they
*taw temporarily ask for refurment on the proposal to develop the
model center.
Swickerath commented that the City is locked in the time schedule
to annex and update comprehensvie plan. He questioned staff is
all the requirements of the lock- step- scenario that the City is
in with the Department of Community Affiars been met to the point
that the board can take action on the petition tonight, or does
Maxim have to get back in line for what ever reason, and reapply
in the next go around or the amendments of the comprehensive
plan? Harper stated that basically the items to address have
been done, the application was timely filed, the fee was timely
paid and the initial advertisement was timely done. Therefore,
in my opinion they are entitled to have consideration at tonights
meeting. Harper continued to say that he had spoken with Attorney
Duke Woodson and the Attorney concurs. The only thing that is
taken out of the normal sequence is that the board is hearing
tonight what should have been heard in July or August.
Swickerath stated that if the board had heard it back in July or
August and it was a duly advertised public hearing, neighbors
would have had the oportunity to give their input. Harper
informed the Chairman that this petition had been advertised
around Thanksgiving for the December 13, 1988 meeting. Chairman
Swickerath after questioning staff of whether the Maxim petition
had been duly advertised for the evenings meeting, questioned the
board if they wanted to proceed under the assumption that this
meeting was a public hearing and that it had been duly advertised
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and would they be willing to go back and do it again next month
if it wasn't. Linebarier commented that the board should rely on
the representative of the City, he has no reason to mislead the
board. The board agreed to accept this as a public hearing.
Chairman Swickerath opened the public hearing on Maxim
Construction Corporation - Petition 18R and 15C -88 - Marshall
Farms Road and S.R. 50. Present was Jim Crouse who is employeed
by Cardinal Industries, P.O. U, Sanford, FL 32772. Mr. Crouse
handed out to the board a "Brief History of Events ". He read
over the handout giving a brief background on each date listed.
Mr. Crouse commented that he took exception to staff's comment
about being neglagent in following through with the petition.
Mr. Crouse had record of phone conversations and letters of
communication from the City from August through to the present on
a monthly basis, to find what the status was. Crouse then
received a letter in October indicating that the petition was out
of the loop some how. The formal request had been misplaced.
They were assured by staff that to stay in the loop they would
need to re- request the rezoning. At that time they had requested
an amendment to C -2 and indicated to the City that the management
of the company decided not to do the model center. The reasons
at the time, it was not acceptable to manage it.
Mr. Crouse wanted to enter into record the comments listed on the
second page of the "Brief History of Events" as follows:
Cardinal Industries has followed all steps required by
relevant regulations and worked in concert with the various
staff regarding these petitions.
Cardinal has amended its rezoning required from C -3 to C -2,
a less intense commercial district.
The petitions represent consistency with existing and
proposed Comprehensive Plan Land Use element, and
compatibility with existing uses and zoning adjacent to the
site.
Staff has indicated a concern for traffic hazard and the
need for a traffic study based upon section 9.5 (chapter
IV) of the Zoning Code. In order to accomplish a legitimate
traffic study there must be a specific use and site plan
design to analyze. The petitions do not include a site plan
nor does the Zoning Code require one for rezoning. While
the merits for a traffic study may be appropriate the time
for an effective traffic study is during the Site Plan
approval process as is already required by code.
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Staff also expressed concern with potential direct access
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onto SR 50. We recognize in talking with FDOT that any
access would be via Marshall Farms Road. This also would be
appropriately addressed at Site Plan approval.
The requests before you meet pertinent requirements and will
being the subject site into compliance with the
Comprehensive Plan.
Maxim Building Corporation respectfully requests your
recommendation for approval.
Swickerath asked if staff would have any objections to a simple
rezoning of this property to C -2, independent of any development
that is going on. Harper stated that he wanted to answer the
question, but felt there were several comments that Mr. Crouse
brought up that need clarified. First of all, vesting of Rights
is a complex issue. Once the zoning of C -2 is given his rights
are vested in C -2. Instead of the developer telling city staff
why it's right, we have to tell them why it's wrong. Once
property rights are invested there could be serious problems.
''Warr Swickerath asked if staff had a problem with rezoning this
property to C -2 consistent with the land use plan and referring
the traffic study and the improvement to Marshall Farms Road
until such time we have a site plan review. Harper did not feel
comfortable with the idea. The level of service he sited as the
State levels as "C ", staff has asked for documentation and
received general classified information that the FDOT gives out
to everybody. They have not provided any documentation relating
to the service level of this intersection.
Secondly, in regard to Mr. Crouse's statement that the C -2 is
consistent with the Growth Management Act. Mr. Harper reminded
the board that the City is not presently proceeding under the
Growth Management Act, we are still several years away from it.
The Local Government Comprehensive Planning Act and maybe the
Growth Management Act does not relate at all to what Mr. Crouse
is alleging that it says. Harper commented that he was familiary
with both Acts and in his opinion it does not say what he stated.
As to whether or not staff is seeking to confer the Comprehensive
Plan by what he is saying, he was not sure. All he knows is that
the zoning ordinance was annexed as an implementation procedure
for the 1979 Comprehensive Plan and that is what staff is
proceeding under. That is what the staff's regulations were
taken from. The City's regulations state that we have to make
proper assurances that the health safety welfare is protected to
err avoid congestion in the streets and facilitate the adequate
transportation. In Harper's opinion he has problems.
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Swickerath stated that right across the street there is property
zoned commercial, and this petition is consistent with the
general land use.
Harper stated that there will be a mandated road improvement by
the Beltway Authority to improve Marshall Farms Road. The
developers will be required to improve the section of the road
that passes their property.
Swickerath questioned the audience if they had any questions, but
no response. The public hearing was closed.
Burton Smith moved to recommend approval of the C -2 zoning,
Harold Switzer seconded and John Linebarier asked to amend the
motion by adding: if and when the property is developed that the
proper road studies and improvements will be made at the time of
site plan submittal. Swickerath called for the question, the
motion carried unanimously.
RECESS: 8:35
CALL TO ORDER: 8:38
• Proposed Zoning Ordinance Amendment to Section 6, Chapter IV of
Appendix A - Petitioner Aulton Julian
Planning Director Behrens read the Staff Report of December 8,
1988. It read, should the Planning and Zoning Board recommend
approval of an amendment to the City of Ocoee Zoning Ordinance,
which would allow as permitted uses, what is commonly called
"zero -lot line zoning" of two - family and multi - family dwellings,
i.e. - to allow for "fee simple" ownership of one -half of a
duplex and one -half of the conventional duplex lot.
Behrens recommended that the P &Z Board take the ordinance and
staff report under advisement - review it and bring it back
before the board on January 10, 1989 or schedule a workshop.
Alton Juilan commented that he didn't know why the ordinance had
to go back before Planning and Zoning. Linebarier commented that
his understanding from the City Commission meeting was that City
Commission would consider approving the ordinance.
Behrens stated that he brought it before the Planning and Zoning
Board for them to review and address the Ordinance in thirty
days.
There was some discussion between board members regarding
building codes and current zoning. Chairman Swickerath went on
record to say that Alton Julian is here to stay. He is a good
citizen and is good for the whole West Orange Community.
Swickerath stated that the board is here to respond to the Staff
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Report's request and they will either respond to the Ordinance
tonight or discuss it at the next meeting.
Burton Smith moved to recommend to City Commission that they
follow staff recommendation and postpone Planning and Zoning
action until January 10, 1989. This motion died for lack of a
second.
Burton Smith moved to recommend to City Commission that they
approve the Proposed Zoning Ordinance Amendment to Section 6,
Chapter IV of Appendix A, Gerald Weeks seconded. Chairman
Swickerath commented to the board that the Ordinance at hand
would apply uniformly to any property in the City zoned R -3.
And, the fact that the precedent for citing this is not really a
zero lot line subdivision development with open plan recreation
space and separation of units. He recommended to the other board
members that they vote against the adoption of the ordinance the
way it was written and presented. Chairman Swickerath called for
the vote and the motion was denied with a 3 to 2 vote. AGAINST
the motion was Linebarier, Switzer, Swickerath, and FOR the
motion was Smith and Weeks.
CANDLEWOOD SHORES - PRESENTATION OF PLAT
Planning Director Behrens read the Staff Report of December 12,
1988. The issue was whether the Planning and Zoning Board should
approve the preliminary subdivision plan dated 9/26/88 (received
by Ocoee October 6, 1988). Attached to the Staff Report were
staff comments also dated October 6, 1988, each department's
comments were listed.
Staff's recommendation was that in view of the large number of
comments but particularly because of the possible impact of the
more significant comments, staff could not recommend that the
Planning and Zoning Board approve the preliminary subdivision
plans without first seeing how compliance with the staff report
would impact the development the development. Therefore, staff
must respectfully recommend that the Planning and Zoning Board
direct the developer to address the comments in the staff report
and then to resubmit a preliminary subdivision plan to the
Planning and Zoning Board for review. This action should not
delay the developer as staff will not be able to take the present
preliminary subdivision plan to the City Commission without
substantial revisions which would greatly reduce the number of
outstanding comments.
Mr. C. Wayne Atwood, Owner of Candlewood Shore Subdivision was
present along with his engineer Richard Russell from Site
Engineering Consultants. Mr. Atwood stated that he would like to
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go over quickly the items listed and felt he would be able to
comply with the majority of the comments.
WATER_SYSTEM - Developer will comply with all nine items.
SANITARY_SEWER - Developer will comply with all five items.
STORM_DRAINAGE - Developer will comply with all 13 items.
GENERAL - Listed individually
1. OK
2. OK
3. Has been addressed in zoning through the Development
Agreement and developer agreed to it.
4. OK
5. OK
6. OK
7. OK - entrance is in a dedicated right -of -way.
8. DONE - will send copies to the city.
9. Street "A" is to be constructed to collector standards with
a 60 foot right -of -way as called for in the City's
Comprehensive Plan.
'hrr► COMMENT: Developer will show on the Final Engineering Plan
a 60 foot right -of -way, and show that all lots
will meet or exceed the City Standards.
10. A traffic study may be required to determine improvements
needed on Johio Shores Drive and Clark Road to facilitate
traffic movements into and from the development. FDOT Green
Book standards must be observed. Escrowing funds prior to
the final decision on Clark Road may be an appropriate
option.
COMMENT: Developer takes exception to comment.
(SEE ZONING ITEM #4)
11. OK
12. OK
13. Although not required by ordinances, we would suggest that a
soils analysis (in addition to the required soils report) be
done to determine if any pesticides or herbicides remain in
the ground.
COMMENT: Developer takes exception because it is not a
required ordinance. Senior Planner Harper
commented that this was brought to staff's
attention by Street Department Supervisor Buddy
Elmore. That is was Mr. Elmore's concern and
considering his experience in the area that the
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old burned out groves have heavy residues of long
lasting and toxic chemicals. Harper commented
that Mr. Elmore had stated something to the effect
that by virtue of certain soil characteristics in
the area that the toxic chemicals could be present
in the soil and would not decay even over extended
periods of time. And, that he had had personal
experience in the immediate area. In fact, the
DET has such a long life that it gets into certain
soil conditions and once the soil is worked by
making improvements on the site that it's liable
to turn the DET loose.
A soils report was in the process at that time.
Chairman Swickerath commented that the Orange
County Agriculature Department has a very fine
extention service. They have been in the business
for years and there's probably nobody that knows
more about this area then they do. Have City
Staff get one of those people to come out and make
some kind of assessment of what the nature of the
problem may or may not be on this site, and what
'fir.- they would recommend to do to test for it. Or,
come up with a similar alternative (John Bateman
with the Environmental Protection Agency). Then
the matter should be addressed. Board Members
and City Staff agreed upon to the request.
14. Access to retention areas should be at least fifteen feet
wide with block pavers used to stabilize the accesss. From
the back of curb to the right -of -way line, we will need a 6"
reinforced concrete driveway at access point.
COMMENT: Mr. Atwood commented that the stabilized access is
provided in all the other areas to the retention
areas is sufficient. It will be Block Pavers. They
plan to provide a 20 foot wide access into the
retention area instead of the stated 15 foot.
This will be adressed in the final engineering
plans and will meet ordinance requirements for
those access.
15. OK
16. Why can't Tracts B, C, and D be dedicated to the City of
Ocoee under one tract?
COMMENT: Atwood commented that this would be done along
Itro with the platting of each phase. B, C, and D
represent park requirements for Phase I (Tract C),
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Phase II (Tract D) and (Tract B) is another
subdivision he ownes across the street
(Richfield). Senior Planner Harper suggested
staff get a legal opinion, the board and developer
agreed.
17. OK
18. OK
19. OK
20. According to the Subdivision Regulations, provisions would
have to be made to extend Lake Johio Road to Street B and
Court G would have to be realigned. If the Board wishes to
waive this requirement then access rights from Lot 138 to
Lake Johio Road should be dedicated to the City of Ocoee.
COMMENT: Developer wanted to discuss further.
(SEE ZONING ITEM #4)
21. OK
22. OK
23. *iirr 24. OK
25. OK
26. OK
27. Street C appears to be too close to Clark Road to provide
adequate stacking space during peak traffic hours.
COMMENT: Developer needs to discuss adjustments.
(SEE ZONING ITEM #4)
ZONING COMMENTS - Listed individually
1. OK
2. OK
3. Show the Flora Avenue right -of -way on the plan.
COMMENT: Flora Avenue is no longer a right -of -way going out
to Johio Shores Road, this has been vacated.
Staff asked for a letter from the developer
stating that this was vacated. Developer agreed
to send letter.
4. The internal street system, as proposed, does not provide
for an orderly nor soud traffic flow, the major objection
being the "straight- shot" nature of Street "A ", which will
encourage persons not living in Candlewood to utilize Street
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"A" as a sub - collector. I feel, in addition, that the curve
designed into Street "A" at Lots 52 and 62 will be a
definite traffic hazard and at its intersection with Street
"B ". There is a good chance that Street "A" will have
inadequate vehicle storage between Lots 76 and 154 (ingress -
egress) to Clark Road and possibly on Johio Shores Road,
= 1,540 vehicle trips x 15 -20% during peak hours = 150 -300
vehicles per hour waiting to get out onto Clark Road.
COMMENT: Mr. Atwood stated that Street "A" had been
designed by standards and with the design to be a
sub - collector street they did not see a problem
with. Atwood already agreed to the 60 foot right -
of -way. Sr. Planner Harper mentioned that if the
developer widens the R -O -W to 60 foot and puts a
24 foot typical cross section road through, he
personally didn't see a problem with it, as far as
the first part of the #4's comment. As far as the
curves, if the developer puts in a 24 foot paved
surface it will make it better but won't eliminate
the problem. If the developer wants to have a
street that encourages through traffic in his
dirt subdivision it would be more of a marketing
decision than a planning decision. Richard
Russell stated that the curves were put in to slow
the traffic down. Swickerath stated that if
Street "A" was going to be a through street that
the developer need to make sure that the homes
meet all the requirements for off street parking.
He would like to see "No Parking" signs on the
street to limit parking. Harper commented that at
the rewritting of the preliminary plat staff is
going to give a formal written specification
formalizing the 60 foot right -of -way with 24 foot
pavement. Also, if necessary, a stop sign would
act as a further discouragement.
COMMENT: Second part of item #4 (vehicle stacking) - The
developer will comply with the City Engineer's
requirements for stacking space out onto Clark
Road and /or finance their own study that reputes
that, and present the evidence to the P &Z board.
In any event, provide more stacking space onto
Clark Road. Bob Campbell of P.E.C. should run the
numbers.
Board Member Linebarier commented that there were several items
in the staff report that were tied together. Item #4 (zoning),
#20 (general), and #10 (general). He commented that information
relating to these comments were not available to make a sound
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judgement on either side, for staff or developer on the above
three items. Linebarier recommended that to solve the three
particular items that a traffic study be made to provide figures
on the Lake Johio Road when it's paved, Clark Road intersection
with Street "A ", Johio Shores intersection with Street "A ", and
Johio Shores intersection with Silver Star Road. Linebarier
would like impacts on the above roads. Sr. Planner Harper
commented that access to Clark Road should be modified to a
limited amount. Chairman Swickerath stated that any time a
project is brought before the Planning and Zoning Board that
staff is to bring a drawing of Clark Road so the Board can see
it, with the intersections drawn in red. Unfortunately, the city
does have some intersections that are already approved on Clark
Road via Development Agreements and plans. Planning Director
Behrens stated that P.E.C. is working on such a drawing which
also will include curb cuts on Clark Road.
John Linebarier moved that items #4 (zoning), #10 (general) and
#20 (general) be referred to staff and the developer to work out
in the developers agreement, or see a traffic study. THIS MOTION
WAS WITHDRAWN DUE TO A STATEMENT THAT THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT WAS
ALREADY DONE.
John Linebarier moved that a traffic study be provided on the
Clark Road intersection with Street "A ", Johio Shores
intersection with Street "A ", and Johio Shores intersection with
Silver Star Road. Linebarier would like to see traffic impacts
on the above roads. And, on the feasibility of opening up Lake
Johio Road (opening up means require developer to remove lot 138
in order to provide access to Street "B ". Burton Smith
mentioned that a second ingress /egress should be required.
Swickerath went on to say that he thought Lake Johio Road is
there and is unpaved and what the board may want the developer to
do is through lot 138 up on the alignment for Street "B" and then
east on Street "A" to the Phase I line, provide some kind of
stabilized base and it could be gravel, clay topping, dirt
topping, but a secondary means of ingress /egress for emergency
vehicles to Phase I.
Mr. Atwood stated that he didn't have a problem with using Lake
Johio Road as a secondary emergency access, but if and when
Clark Road is built he would like to see the interium access
eliminated for security reasons. Swickerath stated that there is
still a question that John Linebarier wants studied in the
traffic analysis about the importance and advisability of
connecting to Lake Johio Road.
Burton Smith seconded the motion, Chairman Swickerath made clear
that the motion specifically applies to the last sentence in item
#4 of the zoning commments. The motion carried unanimously.
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5. OK
6. OK
7. No provision for the Arbor Ordinance, expecially on Tract
"E ", which has great trees. Is Tract "E" going to be
dedicated to the City?
COMMENT: Mr. Atwood stated that Tract "E" would be
dedicated to the city in access to park
requirements, and a Tree Survey will be provided.
Staff stated that they wanted the developer to
meet the provisions stated in Chapter 12.5 in the
Land Development Regulations book.
8. Suggest Tract "A" retention area to be redesigned so as not
to offer such an obtrusive land use by incorporating the
necessary retention area along waterfront or series of
swales upland, notably where lots 120 -124 are not designated
and lots 46, 47, 50 and 51.
COMMENT: Mr. Atwood stated that the retention pond had been
designed, Tract "A" is in the low area with a
'err► natural collector for a run-off. To do it as
suggested by the staff they feel they would ruin
all the lakefront lots and they would create
addition retention areas in the upland areas.
They feel the would create more eyesores in the
subdivision. The retention pond is set behind the
back of the lots and would not be visible by
anyone but the landowners themselves. They feel
that engineering wise is in the best location
within the subdivision. After discussion with
staff, the board and the developer Chairman
Swickerath commented that he liked the idea that
the pond would catch all the water on the low side
before it goes to the lake. In doing all the
pollution control there and by moving the
retention pond up hill what we do is say that
everything down from them goes in the lake or gets
caught in the shallow uneffected swale along the
lakes edge. As long as the pond makes good
engineering sence is permittable by the water
management district and PEC's approval. If Site
Engineering Consultants has to do some
compensating storage, that has to be worked out.
John Linebarier moved to recommend to approve the design of Tract
"A" retention area subject to approval of P.E.C. and St. Johns
Water Management District. Seconded by Harold Switzer and the
motion carried unanimously.
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9. OK
10. Some provision should be made for safe access or crossing to
the park sites in Tracts "B ", "C ", and "D ". Also,
integration of park sites with Silver Glen and BML
Investments.
COMMENTS: Mr. Atwood commented that the crossing over to the
park would probably be addressed in the traffic
study, as far as integration of the park with
Silver Glen and BML Investments. City Staff has
indicated that they wanted to work with those
people. Tract "C" would be dedicated to the City
in Phase I. Staff, the board, and Mr. Atwood
continued with a discussion on how children would
cross Clark Road. Chairman Swickerath commented
that he would like to see City Staff revisit the
whole concept of fences around retention ponds.
Sr. Planner Harper commented on an additional
issue that should be addressed is that the City's
ordinance does not provide for phasing of
err recreational space, like Mr. Atwood is providing
with his plan. When the plat is approved
reguardless of Phases all the recreation space is
to be set aside and dedicated all at one time.
Mr. Atwood stated he ownes Phase I which Tract "C"
would go with. Phase II is under option. As Mr.
Atwood dedicates Phase I the owner of Tract "C"
would join Mr. Atwood and dedicate it to the City.
Because it is required by the City to have a 5%
dedication.
John Linebarier moved to make a motion that item #10 under
"Zoning Comments" be referred to the staff to reconcile with the
developer. Burton Smith seconded and the motion carried
unanimously.
BURTON SMITH MADE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO
APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAN IF THE DEVELOPER ACCEPTS THE
CORRECTIONS OR ALTERATIONS TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAN THEY AGREED
TO. JOHN LINEBARIER SECONDED AND THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS PLAN
COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD.
OLD BUSINESS
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OTHER BUSINESS
The Planning and Zoning Board Members would like to have coffee
at these meetings. Secretary to arrange for a small coffee pot.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
The board would like to see the previous elements (work products)
and the ongoing elements that are being worked on, go through a
public hearing. Bring elements in one or two at a time.
ADJOURNMENT
Meeting was adjourned at 11:40 PM „, i i , //AA/
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NW" ATTEST:
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ELLEN KING, SECRETARY