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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPZ 11-12-1991 MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 1991 err CALL TO ORDER: 7:45 p.m. PRESENT: Planning and Zoning Commission Members Bond, Switzer, and Weeks; Alternate Members Rhodus and Bateman; Director of Planning Behrens; Planner I Resnik, and Deputy Clerk Muchetti. ABSENT: Chairman Sims; Vice Chairman Shiver; Planning and Zoning Members Swickerath and Carroll. As Senior Planning and Zoning Member, Pat Bond was assigned to Chair the meeting. CONSENT AGENDA Planning and Zoning Meeting Minutes of October 8, 1991 Acting Chairman Bond moved to approve the Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes of October 8, 1991, Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman seconded, and approval was unanimous. NEW BUSINESS Case No. 1- 10R- 91:SECURITY FIRST, Applicant: Security First Federal Savings and Loan, c/o Greg Antonich Planning Director Behrens read the Staff Report in its entirety, and recommended passing as this is a rezoning request only, not a site plan review. Planning and Zoning member Weeks questioned the Staff Report statement that the Exit 80 bridge blocked the view of west bound traffic; shouldn't it read east bound traffic? Planning Director Behrens agreed, Staff Report should read east bound, not west bound traffic. Planning and Zoning member Weeks said that this is a very dangerous intersection and a traffic light needs to somehow be approved for installation. Building a bank on this corner will create a constant flow of traffic. With no traffic light this will cause trouble and possibly cost lives. He didn't know if this had any bearing on their approving of the rezoning request. Planning Director Behrens stated that it didn't at this time as this is just a rezoning request, not a site plan. Possibly a left turn would be prohibited from Marshall Farms Road on the site plan. Planning and Zoning member Weeks stated that the best answer was to do away with Exit 80, that the exit would move west assuming the beltway comes along. Minutes P &Z Meeting, 11 -12 -91 Page 2 * t"' Planning Director Behrens said that the time to review the traffic problem would be when the site plan is submitted. Planning Director Behrens recommended granting the rezoning at this time. Planning and Zoning member Switzer asked if the applicant was aware of all the problems. Acting Chairman Bond asked why C -3; was that appropriate for that zone? Planning Director Behrens said they could recommend C -2 or P.S.; C- 3 gives the petitioner more intense land use in case of restrictions. The new land use plan lets more be permitted in C -3, land use conditional in C -2. Banks with drive -in facilities will be a conditional use in C -2, permitted in C -3. Acting Chairman Bond asked how the Planning Department arrived at the parking for the bank. Planning Director Behrens said that it was in the Code Book. Acting Chairman Bond asked if this would be considered an outparcel? Planning Director Behrens said no. Acting Chairman Bond asked what size the subject parcel of land is. Planning Director Behrens said 2.2 acres. Acting Chairman Bond asked if all the acreage would be utilized by the bank. Greg Antonich, 378 S. Atlantic Ave., Ormond Beach, FL 32176, representing Security First Savings and Loan, said that this particular parcel of land was a foreclosure and that a bank may or may not be built there. Security First is concerned that the land be brought to a useful mode so it may be developed properly and safely. Reprsentative Antonich also stated that Security First Savings and Loan would cooperate with the State and any other agency to upgrade the land however the need be. Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman said that he was all in favor of the rezoning request but that the previous owners had tried to get the City Commission to make exceptions but they refused. Mr. Bateman also stated that a light at S.R. 50 and Marshall Farms Road would not be possible until the State moved Exit 80 and took down the bridge; that you can't come from under the bridge and see a light. Mr. Bateman stated that he was in favor of rezoning but concerned about C -3. That opens up development for anything. Cardinal Homes of Ohio tried for years but failed in several ways. Planning Dept. needs to look at this and keep in C -2 zoning if not Professional. Need restrictions there. The storage facility adds traffic problems. A bank will generate problems with added traffic. C -3 will allow a bank; C -2 doesn't. Minutes P &Z Meeting, 11 -12 -91 Page 2 * t"' Planning Director Behrens said that the time to review the traffic problem would be when the site plan is submitted. Planning Director Behrens recommended granting the rezoning at this time. Planning and Zoning member Switzer asked if the applicant was aware of all the problems. Acting Chairman Bond asked why C -3; was that appropriate for that zone? Planning Director Behrens said they could recommend C -2 or P.S.; C- 3 gives the petitioner more intense land use in case of restrictions. The new land use plan lets more be permitted in C -3, land use conditional in C -2. Banks with drive -in facilities will be a conditional use in C -2, permitted in C -3. Acting Chairman Bond asked how the Planning Department arrived at the parking for the bank. Planning Director Behrens said that it was in the Code Book. Acting Chairman Bond asked if this would be considered an outparcel? Planning Director Behrens said no. Acting Chairman Bond asked what size the subject parcel of land is. Planning Director Behrens said 2.2 acres. Acting Chairman Bond asked if all the acreage would be utilized by the bank. Greg Antonich, 378 S. Atlantic Ave., Ormond Beach, FL 32176, representing Security First Savings and Loan, said that this particular parcel of land was a foreclosure and that a bank may or may not be built there. Security First is concerned that the land be brought to a useful mode so it may be developed properly and safely. Reprsentative Antonich also stated that Security First Savings and Loan would cooperate with the State and any other agency to upgrade the land however the need be. Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman said that he was all in favor of the rezoning request but that the previous owners had tried to get the City Commission to make exceptions but they refused. Mr. Bateman also stated that a light at S.R. 50 and Marshall Farms Road would not be possible until the State moved Exit 80 and took down the bridge; that you can't come from under the bridge and see a light. Mr. Bateman stated that he was in favor of rezoning but concerned about C -3. That opens up development for anything. Cardinal Homes of Ohio tried for years but failed in several ways. Planning Dept. needs to look at this and keep in C -2 zoning if not Professional. Need restrictions there. The storage facility adds traffic problems. A bank will generate problems with added traffic. C -3 will allow a bank; C -2 doesn't. Minutes P &Z Meeting, 11 -12 -91 Page 3 '`l"'" Planning Director Behrens stated that banks are allowed in professional office, C -1, C -2, C -3; all pyramid. Acting Chairman Bond stated that C -2 permits C -1 and P.S. That you can't up zone, only down zone. Planning Director Behrens stated that what was allowed in P.S. was also allowed in C -1 and C -2. Read C -3, General Commercial District which explains further. Acting Chairman Bond stated that P.S. is lower than C -1. Planning and Zoning Commission member Switzer asked what Planning Director Behrens had read. Planning Director Behrens read from C -1, Neighborhood Shopping Dist. and from C -3, General Commercial District - - -C -1 allows any P.S. use; C -2 allows any C -1 and P.S. use; C -3 allows any C -2, C -1, and P.S. use. Planning Director Behrens asked why question use now? When the site plan comes along, that is the time to add restrictions as to the traffic. Why limit the zoning now? Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman stated that the zoning was not open to all development. Planning Director Behrens asked what the problem with the use was? Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman stated that there would be too many egresses onto Marshall Farms Road; the parcel would be loaded down with restrictions. Cardinal Homes of Ohio wanted to build prefab homes; the backside was restricted to 10 -12 ft. Planning Director Behrens said he didn't look at the rezoning request that way. Planning Director Behrens said he looks at all err zoning from a use - standpoint; same traffic problems no matter what is built there. Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman said that Planning Director Behrens wasn't here during the time of Cardinal Homes. It is zoned C -3 across the street; can leave that C-3; no problem with that. But to zone this side of the street C -3 - don't know. Especially if the bank doesn't know what to do with the property. Planing and Zoning Commission member Switzer stated that the bank wanted the land zoned to sell. Acting Chairman Bond stated that why don't they pass it as C -2, then if the new owners want they can repetition at a later date for C -3 zoning. Representative Antonich stated that zoning C -3 expanded the possibility of finding a user for the site. Any user will build to City standards; that Security First wasn't recommending to anyone to do anything special with the site. Security First understood that substantial improvements would have to be made to the site to sell. Acting Chairman Bond stated she understood improvements needed to be made yet she wanted to make sure that what happened inside the city limits didn't make Ocoee look like 436 - curb cuts, too many it Minutes P &Z Meeting, 11 -12 -91 Page 4 traffic lights. Zoning C -3 will escalate that. Acting Chairman Bond said she didn't believe zoning C -1 or C -2, would hinder selling the property. C -3 says ok to do anything on property. Acting Chairman Bond feels that we need to keep a tighter rein on the development. Representative Antonich said he understood her concerns but that zoning C -3 was consistent to the other business in the area, regardless of what the traffic is like. Planing and Zoning Commission member Bateman said he agreed with Representative Antonich, that why not zone C -3 when everything else in the area is zoned C -3. Mr. Bateman believes it is up to Planning to recommend an alternative. Mr. Bateman says he believes the City is too lenient, too many C -3's. Mr. Bateman wants the City to lean more toward professional business. Acting Chairman Bond said that development wouldn't be possible to control if zoned C -3. Planning and Zoning Commission member Switzer said he supports C -2 zoning. C -3 with the amount of traffic is too dangerous. We've already had 5 deaths in less than 2 years at that intersection. If they support C -3 they are just asking for trouble - they will lose control of the development. lo" Planning and Zoning Commission member Weeks asked if it were allowable for the Commission to recommend C -2 or could they only deny C -3? Planning Director Behrens stated that the Commission could recommend any use. Planning and Zoning Commission member Weeks said he thought they could only approve or deny. Planning and Zoning Commission member Rhodus said she felt the same way as the other members, that her concern was for the traffic. C -2 seems adequate for whatever is to be developed there. The C -3 businesses are not doing any type of booming business anyway. Time for a different business in that area. Acting Chairman Bond asked for any more comments. Planning and Zoning Commission member Switzer recommended denying C -3 zoning. Motion to recommend C -2 zoning to City Commission. Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman seconded. Acting Chairman Bond called for a vote. Approval for C -2 zoning was unanimous. Minutes P &Z Meeting, 11 -12 -91 Page 5 Harbour Highlands Village II - Preliminary and Final Engineering Subdivision Plans. Planning Director Behrens read the Staff Report in its entirety. Planning Director Behrens recommended approval of the Preliminary and Final Engineering Plans. Planning and Zoning Commission member Switzer asked if there was going to be an exit and entrance onto Montgomery Ave. from the subdivision. Planning Director Behrens said yes from original approved plans of 1987. Planning and Zoning Commission member Switzer asked about ingress /egress lane added to White Road. Bill Stuber of Lochrane Engineering, representing the developer, said improvements to White Road were already done with Harbour Highlands I and II. Planning and Zoning Commission member Switzer asked if there was to be any additional pavement add to White Rd.? Mr. Switzer said there is a school bus stop there and the kids have to get on and off the bus in the grass /dirt /mud /etc. Mr. Switzer said it is an inappropriate place for the bus to stop. Mr. Switzer said it would be nice if there were 1/2 lane for the kids to get on /off the bus. Mr. Stuber said none was planned. That if a 1/2 lane were there people would use it to try to cut off the bus. Acting Chairman Bond then excused herself from the proceedings due to a conflict of interest and turned the chair over to Planning and Zoning Commission member Switzer. Acting Chairman Switzer asked for any other comments from the Commission members. Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman said he had misread sheet 3. Mr. Bateman believed there was to be a turn lane off Montgomery Ave. Mr. Bateman commented on the extension of Montgomery from White Rd. to S.R. 50. Mr. Bateman said the majority of folks who live in the area favor the southern extention of Montgomery. Mr. Bateman thought the drawing appeared White Road was to be widened for west bound people going east. But this isn't what drawing means - there are only 2 lanes to make a right onto Montgomery Ave. Mr. Bateman opposes the approval because of no road expansion. There was discussion that it may be dangerous to turn into the townhouse area because there is no right turn lane off White Road Minutes P &Z Meeting, 11 -12 -91 Page 6 *ow onto Montgomery Ave. Planning Director Behrens questioned - No vehicular access to townhomes? Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman said you have to turn onto Montgomery Ave. to go to Veronica Place. Mr. Bateman was only using this area as a location reference. Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman said you turn in and out on a curve. White Road needs a turn in /out for the crossing of Montgomery Ave. Mr. Stuber said sheet 15 was more detailed. Planning Director Behrens asked if there was a turn lane from White Road at the Hammocks. Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman said there was but it wasn't like the one on Dillard and S.R. 50. The street isn't wide enough. Planning Director Behrens said that there is a turn lane each way into east Harbour Highlands Village I, Veronica Place. Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman said there was not. Planning Director Behrens said that there was a full turn lane. East on White Road there is a center turn lane into Veronica Place. Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman said not at Montgomery Ave. Planning Director Nor Behrens said yes - and a full turn at Olympic Circle. Mr. Stuber said the improvements to White Road were all done at one time. Acting Chairman Switzer asked the length of the center lane. Planning Director Behrens said it runs past Olympic Circle. It's on page 3 of the plans. Mr. Stuber said then it tapers back at B.C. Terry Road. Acting Chairman Switzer said he was confused with B.C. Terry Road rather than Montgomery Ave. and apologized. Planning Director Behrens said that a full turn lane was included, they didn't cheat, that the pavement was uneven and they made the developer finish it before Veronica Place was completed. Mr. Mohnacky, 1820 Prairie Lake Blvd., Ocoee, FL asked if someone would you please clarify R.W. What is minimum lot size? Planning Director Behrens said this is a standard R -1 -AA lot. Mr. Stuber said sheet 3, #4 shows 10,890 sq ft including R.W.; 8,960 sq ft without. Mr. Mohnacky said that's the actual size. Planning Director Behrens said what's your point? Minutes P &Z Meeting, 11 -12 -91 Page 7 Mr. Mohnacky said he was concerned with the lot size. Planning Director Behrens said do you object to the size? Mr. Mohnacky said no, sounds good. 10,980 sq ft actual, plans say 8,960 sq ft. Acting Chairman Switzer said we would have to recess until Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman returned because we don't have a quorum. RECESS AT 8:30 PM CALL TO ORDER AT 8:40 PM Acting Chairman Switzer asked if any Commission members had any other comments on the issue before them? All members present said no. Acting Chairman Switzer asked for motion at this time. Planning and Zoning Commission member Weeks recommended approval of Harbour Highlands Village II Preliminary /Final Engineering Plans. Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman seconded. Acting Chairman Switzer called for a vote. The motion passed unanimously. Acting Chairman Switzer then turned Chair back over to Planning and Zoning Commission member Bond. Other Business Planning Director Behrens said for each member to review the P &Z Bylaws that were included with the packages, especially the section on absenteeism. Clark Rd. Groundbreaking ceremonies would be at 11:00 am, 11- 13 -91. Over 250 people invited. Planning Director Behrens said a full lunch was to be served. Also in regards to the article about the Central Connector, the vote was to take place 11- 13 -91. Also that the Planning Department received word that the Comprehensive Plan was in compliance with the State. Now have to hold breath for 21 days for full passage. If anyone is to protest it they have to do so in those 21 days. The Planning Department will get the final draft to the Planning and Zoning Commission members as soon as possible. As it stands now, in Orange County you can have 1 house per 10 acres. If you annex into Ocoee you can build 4 houses per loor Minutes P &Z Meeting, 11 -12 -91 Page 8 �1r acre. Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman asked what are the commitments to Windermere? Planning Director Behrens said there will be a transitional zone on the west side; Golf Course community, green with houses all around it. Windermere is thrilled. Their concern as is ours is what happens to traffic that funnels onto Maguire. We have the capability to build a beautiful 4 lane road. Windermere is happy with density. Orlando and OC agreed to join in the 4 cities C.A.M.P. agreement. Orlando has given us a draft that we accepted; Orange County will hopefully give us a draft we will accept. Milton West is waiting to annex. Anyone else requiring a Comp. Plan Ammendment will need a full state review. Planning and Zoning Commission member Switzer asked how far South will we go. Planning Director Behrens said he didn't know. Planning and Zoning Commission member Switzer asked if it would open all at one time, which is better than a section at a time. Planning Director Behrens said he will know more after the 11 -13 -91 vote. Planning and Zoning Commission member Weeks said the East - West Expressway Authority will focus on Beltway while State builds connector. Planning Director Behrens said the money is feasible. Planning and Zoning Commission member Weeks said he hadn't heard Vkir the money was feasible. Planning Director Behrens said now it is feasible. Acting Chairman Bond said yeah, with a $2.00 toll. Planning Director Behrens said Part A is feasible, not Part B. Right now trying to get funding for Part B. Acting Chairman Bond asked if there was any other business. Planning and Zoning Commission member Bateman motioned meeting to be adjourned. Planning and Zoning Commission member Switzer seconded. Acting Chairman Bond adjourned meeting at 9:00 pm p9 Ca PAT BOND, ACTING CHAIRMAN ATTEST: 't qVc D ANE MUCHETTI, DEPUTY CLERK