HomeMy WebLinkAbout11-07-2012 Minutes Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the
CITY OF OCOEE GENERAL EMPLOYEES' RETIREMENT TRUST FUND
BOARD OF TRUSTEES (GERB)
Held on November 7, 2012
At 150 N. Lakeshore Drive
Ocoee, FL 34761
CALL TO ORDER — Chairman Wagner
Chairman Russ Wagner called the meeting to order at 10:12 a.m. in the Commission Chambers
at City Hall.
A. Roll Call
Chairman Wagner called the roll. Present were Chairman Russ Wagner, Trustees Grafton,
Wheeler, and Godek. Chairman Wagner said that Trustee Gleason was on her way. The
recording clerk declared that a quorum was present.
Also present were Pension Board Attorney Lee Definer, Mr. Tim Nash of Bogdahn
Consulting, LLC, Mr. Richard Cristini and Ms. Jeanine Bittinger, representing the pension
plan's auditor Davidson, Jamieson and Cristini, Human Resources Director Gene Williford,
Senior Administrative Assistant Sharon Zink, and GERB Recording Clerk Stella M
B. Approval of Minutes
Chairman Wagner directed the board's attention to the minutes for the August 1, 2012
meeting (Exhibit #1). Trustee Grafton remarked that it was erroneously stated that annual
attendance of the FPPTA conference alone was sufficient to meet certification requirements.
In actuality, one must obtain 30 points in three years, 10 points each year. Attending only the
conference in a year will not meet that requirement. The conference is worth only five
points, while attending one of the three schools or the New York [Stock Exchange] trip is
worth ten points each. The recording clerk agreed to make the correction to the minutes. A
motion having been made by Trustee Grafton and seconded by Trustee Godek, that the
minutes be approved with the correction, and that motion having carried unanimously, the
board
RESOLVED to approve the August 1, 2012 meeting minutes with the correction presented.
(Trustee Gleason arrived @10:12 a.m.)
General Employees Retirement Board
November 7, 2012
Page 2 of 12
CONSENT AGENDA
A. Invoices Ratification (Exhibit #2)
B. Quarterly Report Review (Exhibit #3)
C. Retiree List Review (Exhibit #4)
The chairman pointed the board's attention to invoices as well as the quarterly report and the
retiree list, all of which were included in the agenda packets for review prior to the meeting.
A motion having been made by Trustee Wheeler, seconded by Trustee Grafton, to approve
the consent agenda, and that motion having been approved unanimously by the board, the
board
RESOLVED to approve the consent agenda.
NEW BUSINESS
A. Nomination and Election of Board Officers
The chairman announced the election of officers. Officers serve for two -year terms. Trustee
Wheeler, seconded by Trustee Grafton, having moved to nominate Chairman Russ Wagner
to continue as chairman, and the board, having unanimously approved the nomination, the
board
RESOLVED to approve Chairman Russ Wagner as the chairman of the board.
Chairman Wagner, seconded by Trustee Grafton, having nominated Trustee Wheeler as
vice chairman of the board, and the board having approved the nomination unanimously, the
board
RESOLVED to approve Trustee David Wheeler as the vice chairman of the board.
Trustee Wheeler, seconded by Trustee Pat Gleason, having moved to nominate Trustee Jean
Grafton to continue as secretary, and the board having approved the nomination
unanimously, the board
RESOLVED to approve Secretary Grafton as the secretary of the board.
General Employees Retirement Board
November 7, 2012
Page 3of12
B. Performance Monitor Report — Mr. Tim Nash of Bogdahn Consulting, LLC
Mr. Nash greeted the board. There were good fiscal year -end results. He said that it is
amazing what a difference one year makes in a rolling four -year average. The report is a
good one, in general, with a 15% return. Mr. Nash will also bring the board up to date on the
transition to the new money managers. The chairman asked where the money actually is
right now. Mr. Nash answered said that the actual dollars still remain with the plan's
custodian, Fifth Third Bank. They simply moved from one legal custodial account to
another. A transition manager was used to sell the stocks at the best price, and bought the
picks of the new manager in the most efficient manner, Mr. Nash explained. The transition
manager is 100% independent. Rockwood was terminated and GAMCO (a value manager)
and Brown (a growth manager.) were hired. Brown required that the fund have $4 million to
open the account. When the funds were moved from Rockwood, there was about $8 million
dollars there. A full $4 million of that money was moved to Brown, and $3.8 or .9 million to
GAMCO. Over time, the GAMCO investment will be brought up to $4 million, Mr. Nash
said. Both managers out - performed their respective benchmarks for the year. The pension
plan's transition took place in mid - October which is why the managers do not appear in the
current report, but the board is now fully invested in GAMCO and Brown. As part of the
transition, half of the dollars from ICC were removed and given to GAMCO and Brown, Mr.
Nash continued. This should reduce the volatility seen in the past. The pension plan now
has a higher number of holdings. Rockwood had sixty holdings, where GAMCO has one
hundred. Portfolios with more holdings tend to have less volatility over time, Mr. Nash
explained.
Chairman Wagner asked if the money was switched at an opportune time since it seems as
though the market went down a bit in October. Mr. Nash explained that any time a
transition is in progress, Bogdahn's goal is to have in place immediately the strategy that is
right for the plan. This is particularly important if one is a taxable investor and there are tax
consequences, Mr. Nash explained. He continued that ICC had been struggling, but they
have a lot of mining stocks which are a hedge against inflation in the long term. Bogdahn
would like to explore other options with the board, Mr. Nash added, perhaps at a special
meeting with the board or at the next regular meeting. He thinks there might be lower
volatility options that would meet the board's long term goals.
Chairman Wagner said, looking at a scattergram further on in the report, ICC is still
plummeting. After watching this trend for a year, the chairman said that he would like to see
other options. Trustee Wheeler said that he would rather not wait until the next quarterly
meeting, but would prefer a special meeting take place.
Mr. Nash said that the ICC piece of the portfolio was to get the plan some higher octane
returns. Bogdahn would probably want to replace it with small and mid -cap managers.
General Employees Retirement Board
November 7, 2012
Page 4 of 12
Those options will be presented for the board to review at a special meeting. Chairman
Wagner asked when it could be done, Mr. Nash answered within the next thirty days.
Trustee Wheeler suggested the first week in December.
Mr. Nash said that they received information yesterday that ICC is in talks with another
manager (Munder Capital) to be acquired by that manager. His recommendation to change
from the multi -cap strategy had nothing to do with that development. Chairman Wagner
said that it is clear to him that the reason the plan is below the benchmark is ICC. Mr. Nash
concurred. The chairman continued that the money manager was off the benchmark by three
percentage points. Mr. Nash agreed that this was significant.
GERB Attorney Dehner commented on the ICC situation given that the matter emanated
from a meeting he attended yesterday. Mr. Grant McMurray, the chief officer of the firm,
informed Attorney Dehner about the matter prior to the meeting, and asked if the board
should be informed. Attorney Dehner answered `absolutely'. Mr. McMurray said to
Attorney Dehner that there is a 95% chance that the deal is going to go through by the end of
the year.
Mr. Nash said that given that due diligence has not been done yet by ICC or Munders,
Bogdahn cannot make a recommendation to the board regarding the overall status of the
firm.
Mr. Nash began his presentation of the report.
On page 2 — is a description of international activity. EAFA Index countries (developed
countries such as France and Spain) were up by 14 points for the year. Emerging market
countries did even better by being up by 17 points for the year. Both types of countries are in
Ocoee's plan. The S &P was up 32 %. The Russell 2000 was up almost 32 percentage points.
Bonds had another good year, surprisingly, and were up by 5.2 points. Corporate bonds were
up 10.8 %.
On page 11 — Bogdahn does an annual survey each year which is conducted by Survey
Monkey. It asks clients to rate the Bogdahn firm. He encouraged the board to respond to the
survey. Last year Bogdahn rated an overall 8 out of 10 points in terms of customer
satisfaction.
Trustee Grafton asked if this was something the chairman should handle. Mr. Nash replied
that Bogdahn was randomly sending out the survey, but if trustees would like to respond,
they certainly can.
General Employees Retirement Board
November 7, 2012
Page 5 of 12
On page 14 — The investment managers are listed. Real estate helped out a lot during the
fiscal year. Total assets in the fund were $19.2 million at the end of last September. By the
end of September 2012, the assets had grown to $22,837,256.00. Rockwood Capital was
22% of the portfolio which was sold, with 2.5 million dollars taken from ICC to fund
GAMCO and Brown investments.
Cash flows are shown at the bottom of the page. There was a significant amount of
distributions in the plan. The plan's contributions were at $2.1 million. Distributions paid
out totaled $1,237,292 for the year. Investment fees to money managers were about
$103,000 for the year. Gains from interest from money market funds plus $2,235,000 (the
value of the plan's stocks going up), totaled just shy of $2.9 million in gains for the fiscal
year.
On page 16, the $2.9 million gain is equal to a 14.9% rate of return for the year gross of fees;
the rate of return is 14.3% net of fees (such as Bogdahn's fees). Trustee Wheeler asked
what the `other expenses' were on page 15. Mr. Nash explained these are broad categories
that would include fees paid to Bogdahn, the board's attorney fees, FPPTA fees, etc. The
plan for the year was beyond the 8% target at 14.3% net of fees.
On page 18, the plan is compared to other pension plans across the country of which there are
436. Some plans did better than Ocoee's plan, some did worse. Most plans did better than
the 8 %. Over three years Ocoee has an 8.75% rate of return on average each year for the last
three years which is ahead of the target of 8 %. Over five years, the plan has a 3.46 %. No
plans approached 8 %. When that number is compared to other plans across the country, the
plan is in the top 23` percentile.
Chairman Wagner remarked that few people thought it was possible that the plan could
have a rate of return in the double digits, yet the plan has proven them wrong. The chairman
felt vindicated. Mr. Nash said that he feels the growth of the rate of the City's contribution
to the plan should slow dramatically.
The real estate fund was up 2.58 %; for the year the number would have been 13 %, almost
double what bonds would have done. The yield to the fund by real estate is 6% for the year.
Mr. Nash said that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is considering retiring; hence,
there is likely to be a new Fed chairman in 2013. His likely successor is supportive of the
bond market as is Mr. Bernanke, and this is good for Ocoee's plan.
Chairman Wagner asked if the rolling scattergram chart was a new element of the report.
Mr. Nash said they are a regular part of the report, and he went on to make additional
remarks about the plotting of the chart. Ocoee is near the top of the pack, as represented by
the chart.
General Employees Retirement Board
November 7, 2012
Page 6 of 12
The investment policy statement will need to be updated with the introduction of GAMCO
and Brown. He will bring the matter to the special meeting in December.
Chairman Wagner asked if there were questions. Trustee Wheeler asked about projections
for the future. Mr. Nash said they are projecting that December will be a troublesome
month. The uncertainty surrounding the Bush tax cuts are problematic. He continued by
saying it will not be good if the matter is not resolved, and the country goes up to the edge of
the fiscal cliff again. When that happened recently, the nation's credit rating was
downgraded making interest rates higher. Mr. Nash summarized by saying that he believes
the first quarter of this new fiscal year will be challenging. Chairman Wagner said that
perhaps now that the election is out of the way, everyone will be pounding on the Congress
to give them direction as to what they want done. Mr. Nash said that with the Congress in
the lame duck session, there really is no down side to working out a plan. He added that the
Aetna CEO said that he, like other CEOs, has to plan what to do in case they go over the
fiscal cliff.
Chairman Wagner thanked Mr. Nash for his report.
C. Annual Audit Report — Richard Cristini and Jeanine Bittinger of Davidson, Jamieson
and Cristini
Chairman Wagner welcomed the auditors. Ms. Bittinger shared that her firm is a strong
proponent of public pension plans. They are auditors for the FPPTA. Ms. Bittinger
reviewed the audit report with the board.
Page 1- shows the report letter which is an unqualified or `clean' opinion which is the highest
report that can be given.
Page 3 — shows the comparison between 2010 and 2011. Growth can be seen in the
investments over the two years. Investments in 2011 amounted to $19,173,425 compared to
$18,368,534 for the year 2010. The planned net assets held in trust for the pension benefits
after payables in 2011 (in transit items) equaled $19,319,741 as compared to $18,645,514 for
2010.
Page 4 — shows the statement of changes in planned net assets. The employer contribution
has increased over the two years. Employee contributions have decreased slightly. There
were some buybacks in the amount of $114,868. Net depreciation declined overall with
$708,597 for 2011, whereas 2010 was stronger as demonstrated by an appreciation at
$1,458,548. Everything else was pretty much comparable.
General Employees Retirement Board
November 7, 2012
Page 7 of 12
Deductions showed age in service retirements. The numbers for 2011 were higher than for
2010. There were more PLOPs disbursed at $125,758. DROP payments were $22,763.00.
Refunds were $38,000 less than the prior year. Net increase (income) for 2011 was
$671,227. The prior year's income was $2,906,000, significantly better than 2011. The
difference was affected by the point in time and the investment income for the two years.
Page 19 - towards the back of the report there is the list of investments for both years side -
by -side. The report shows the cost and the fair values. When the board makes changes to the
portfolio, the auditors always audit those changes.
Mr. Cristini asked Mr. Nash if there was a separate custodial account established for the
transition manager or was it done by the transition manager on a spreadsheet. Mr. Nash said
he would have to check. Mr. Cristini said the auditors would need a copy of it in either
case. He said as the auditor, while not a watchdog for the price of the sale, the auditor is
responsible for verifying that 100 shares, for example, were not lost during the transition
process.
Page 20 shows that part of the $708,597 was just a point in time. The realized appreciation
$756,652 was actually money that the plan made. The unrealized just happened to be a bad
quarter. It was not a great quarter, the market declined, but there is a chance to recover.
Page 21 — the board does hold the line with respect to its expenses. The percentage of net
assets (the number by which expense control can be assessed) is way under 1% for each
category which is outstanding - .6% for investment and .2% for administrative. Two percent
is considered reasonable.
Page 23 — DROP accounts held as of September 30, 2011 of $102,266. This money has
been designated but not yet distributed.
Page 24 - Schedule for funding process — the report is one year back. The funding ratio has
gone up, but it is still in line with plans across the state.
Page 25 gives history of the contributions from the City. The last three years have had much
larger contributions. They started out at a slower rate. This is in line with other pensions in
the state.
Chairman Wagner asked if the format of the report was the same. Mr. Cristini answered
that the report will be changing due to GASB finally passing of two standards, but for now it
is like last year's report. There will be no more smoothing — only a pure market value will be
reported. The board will end up with two sets of data - one for how the board runs the plan
and the other which demonstrates that the board is meeting the GASB requirements.
General Employees Retirement Board
November 7, 2012
Page 8 of 12
Mr. Cristini added that his firm has spoken to the City's actuary, and the actuary is not
happy with it. The actuary has not gotten very far in the conversion since they will be doing
recalculations for every plan they have in order to meet the required standards.
Chairman Wagner asked if smoothing will be allowed any longer. Mr. Cristini responded
that the board can continue to do smoothing until the State Division of Retirement says
otherwise. Chairman Wagner asked if eliminating smoothing would make the City's
contribution rate more volatile. Mr. Cristini confirmed that it would do just that. Trustee
Wheeler asked how this would protect the pension. Mr. Cristini said that there will be two
sets of numbers for two different purposes. Further discussion ensued.
Trustee Wheeler concluded that this will make the funding ratio look worse. Mr. Cristini
agreed. The change happened because the people lending money to cities (banks) said that
they did not understand the government -based fund balance reporting. Reporting this way
will reduce the fund balance, yet not offer any additional clarity to the reader, Mr. Cristini
concluded. Further discussion ensued.
Trustee Wheeler asked if there were any additional changes the City should be preparing
for. Mr. Cristini answered `No'. The City's balance sheet will be different, but not the
balance sheet of the pension plan.
The Management Memorandum — has gotten smaller due to the board's compliance.
Minutes — the minutes look excellent. Ms. Bittinger asked that PLOP payments be
entered into the minutes with approved amounts and payees' names as well. Rollovers
into DROP must be included in the minutes as well.
Summary of Invoices — Ms. Bittinger commended Ms. Zink and Chairman Wagner on
the handling of board invoices. The auditors recommend that a `date paid column' be
added so that auditors can trace payments back to Fifth Third Bank, the pension plan's
custodian.
Authorization — a letter of authorization should be dated as well as signed.
Filing — Ms. Bittinger asked that files be maintained by fiscal year.
Chairman Wagner stated that Ms. Zink has done a great job picking up the pension
activities from Ms. Maher (the former pension tech). Trustee Grafton agreed. The
chairman continued that they have office space in Finance where they will stay in the short
term. The retirement records are secure and encrypted electronically. Discussions are still
taking place about where the retirement office will ultimately be.
General Employees Retirement Board
November 7, 2012
Page 9 of 12
Auditor's Engagement Letter (Exhibit 5)
Chairman Wagner said that this year the board paid the auditor $8700. The reason the fees
will increase is because of the additional time necessary to comply with the new GASB
regulations. Ms. Bittinger explained that they did try to smooth the additional cost over the
three -year period. Trustee Wheeler asked about the cost for the audit last year. Ms.
Bittinger explained that the timing of the invoices made the difference as to when the City
was billed for the cost of the audit. Further discussion ensued. Chairman Wagner said that
according to the board's attorney, it is essentially the same agreement as before. Attorney
Dehner confirmed that this was true. Further discussion ensued. A motion having been
made by Trustee Wheeler, seconded by Trustee Grafton, and that motion having passed
unanimously, the board
RESOLVED to approve the three -year contract with Davidson, Jamieson, and Cristini.
D. Early Incentive Analysis by Foster & Foster
Chairman Wagner referred to the report done by the City's actuary, Foster & Foster, which
proposes certain incentive programs for employees that have a number of years of service in
the pension program. The attorney has not evaluated everything yet that is in the report.
Foster & Foster has looked at several different scenarios which have resulted in the report
that has been placed before the board. While the ultimate selection of a program may be
different from what is in the report, the chairman is letting the board know that the board is
spending money on the investigation of implementing the program. Anything that is
adopted, the City would have to pay for. Trustee Wheeler asked who is paying for the
actuarial report, and did the board receive a proposal from the actuary to do the work. The
chairman replied `no'. Trustee Wheeler said that it would have been nice to know ahead of
time about the report rather than after the fact. Human Resources Director Williford said
that the chairman was trying to accommodate the city manager. Trustee Wheeler said that
he understood that, but the board could have gotten previous notification. Chairman
Wagner acknowledged the validity of the comment but that as chairman, he has broad
discretion on administrative matters. The chairman said that the matter will be back on the
agenda for further review.
Trustee Wheeler asked how many employees potentially would qualify for the program.
Chairman Wagner answered that six or eight employees at the most would be affected. The
chairman explained that there are employees who have been working for the City since they
were very young. This can be a problem given that the retirement age under the plan is sixty.
Some of those employees are quite a ways off from reaching that retirement age. The
incentive program could be an option for those employees. HR Director Williford added
that after reaching so many years of service, the retirement benefit to the employee is reduced
General Employees Retirement Board
November 7, 2012
Page l0 of 12
to the percentage of salary increases over time. The chairman said that he would bring up the
matter to the city manager about paying for the actuarial work.
Further discussion ensued regarding notification to the retirement board about such work. It
was concluded that the board in the future would either have to call a meeting to disseminate
the information or the board could authorize the chairman to make such agreement in the
absence of the board. The chairman continued that many issues arise that the chairman has
to make decisions about the day to day work of the plan. He thinks that the board needs to be
responsive to the City as the sponsors of the plan. Chairman Wagner said that they had
been talking about the incentive program for some time before any action was taken. He said
that he will use his best judgment in deciding such matters in the future.
There chairman discussed the requirements for acquiring and maintaining certification.
Trustee Godek asked about the March event. Trustee Wheeler answered that the March
event is the trip to the New York Stock Exchange. Further discussion ensued as to the
schedule of training classes for the year.
DISCUSSION ITEMS
A. Florida Public Pension Trustees Association (FPPTA) — Upcoming events.
January 27 is the next meeting. The chairman encouraged board members to let Ms. Zink
know if they plan to attend. Chairman Wagner will be attending the school in January.
Trustee Wheeler said that he will be attending the school in January, as will the chairman
and Trustee Godek. Trustee Grafton said that she does not know yet whether or not she will
be attending the school in January. Trustee Gleason just recently attended a school. The
chairman asked what Trustee Gleason learned at the school.
B. Summary Plan Description
Attorney Dehner said that he usually prepares the changes to the Summary Plan
Description. The last changes were approved by the board in February 2012. Typically,
changes are made to the plan every two years. Attorney Dehner explained that current plan
changes are significant enough that the board should proceed with updating the plan even
though it has not been two years since the last update.
ATTORNEY COMMENTS
Attorney Dehner reported that there will be some bills to talk about at the next meeting with
respect to legislation regarding pensions, particular as it relates to police and firefighter pensions.
The chairman asked what kinds of legislation the board should anticipate. Not wanting to
General Employees Retirement Board
November 7, 2012
Page 11 of 12
speculate, Attorney Dehner reminded the board about legislation 1128 which dealt with lump -
sum payment limits to overtime and legislation about having cities approve the funds' budget.
The chairman asked about the court case regarding state employees' pension. Attorney Dehner
replied that briefs have been filed with the state supreme court; everyone is awaiting the court's
decision. The imposition of the 3% member contribution rate is being challenged. Since the
FRS (Florida Retirement System) has not had a member contribution before, they do not have as
strong a contract argument to make. One of the elements of a contract is consideration on both
sides. In most police and firefighter pension there has always been an employee contribution;
hence, those plans would have a stronger argument to make. Fortunately, retirees are protected
better in Florida than in most states. There are some cities around the country, however, that
have reduced benefits for retirees such as the elimination of the cost of living adjustment which
took place in Colorado. He concluded that it is hard to speculate at this point what the state
will do.
Attorney Dehner addressed the quarterly meetings for 2013. He said that he responded to the
board's email notice about the dates. The board's attorney stated for the record that the meetings
scheduled for next year will be: February 6th, May 1st, July 31st, and November 6th. The
meetings are scheduled for 10:00 a.m. There were no requests by anyone present at the meeting
to alter the meeting dates for next year.
COMMENTS FROM TRUSTEES / CITY LIAISON
Trustee Gleason made notes about the October FPPTA school she attended. She brought back
the disc that they were encouraged to share with the commissioners which will explain FPPTA's
role and the learning opportunities they make available to trustees. There was a discussion about
FPPTA's `Day on the Hill' to educate state elected officials about defined benefits plans and to
introduce new educational information website which discusses legislative issues that might
apply to pension issues. She signed a form that said the board would be interested in attending
such an event. She did not commit the pension plan to anything. There were great topics to
choose from. Participants were asked to select the courses they would like to see offered again.
One of the courses was entitled The Economic Outlook of Global Markets. The European
problems are much like those in the U.S., Dr. Jim Key said. Dr. Key predicted that if Obama
wins, dividends will go up, and the reverse will happen if Romney wins. There was a good
program about finding alpha. They were encouraged to ask the investment consultant (Bogdahn)
about this. Dr. Key said there were only three managers out of 150 that were dedicated to
finding alpha (she was unsure of whether he was speaking about Florida or the nation). Mr.
Nash said that he would need to see the context of the remarks to understand the instructor's
statements.
General Employees Retirement Board
November 7, 2012
Page 12 of 12
With respect to legal issues, Trustee Gleason continued, they said that there would be a ruling
this in November or December this year. There was talk about FRS going from defined benefit
to defined contribution; lots of ideas to increase reporting from local boards; suggestion that
boards should submit budgets for approval to sponsors; they said that the cities would like to do
away with boards of trustees and regain administration of pension plans themselves.
In the investment class she learned that half the people in emerging countries are middle class;
the two leading phone companies in the world are Apple and Samsung (a Korean company). In
the real estate course, they said that real estate is the way to go now, even as much as putting
40% of a portfolio into real estate. They recommended a mix of 40% stock, 40% bonds and 20%
real estate. The leadership program, led by Don Trone, Coast Guard Academy graduate with 25
years of experience developing standards of training programs for investment decision makers.
It included fiduciary standards for investment committees. He was a part of the Coast Guard
rescue effort after Katrina. The class was enthralled during the presentation. The class took a
vote and said that everyone would like to have that sort of leadership training as a part of the
FPPTA school. With that, Trustee Gleason concluded her report. The chairman thanked her for
her report. Further discussion ensued about the FPPTA schools.
AGENDA FOR NEXT MEETING
Auditor's Report — Foster & Foster
Early Incentive Analysis
Consideration of Change in Money Managers
COMMENTS FROM PUBLIC
None.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no other business, the meeting was adjourned at 12:19 pm.
Re: s ectfully submitted by: App o ed by:
( A ) Stella McLeod, Municip Re . . .rdinator Russell B. Wagner, G RB Chairman
GERB Recording Clerk