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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPZ 09-11-1990 %r v MINUTES OF THE CITY OF OCOEE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WORKSHOP MEETING HELD SEPTEMBER 11, 1990 The Workshop meeting of the City of Ocoee Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order at 7:30 PM by Vice Chairman Linebarier in the community center. PRESENT: Vice - Chairman Linebarier, Members Switzer, Bond, Shiver, Alternate Member Rhodus. Also present were Planning Director Behrens, Associate Planner Claman, and Secretary King. ABSENT: Chairman Sims, Member Swickerath, Weeks, Alternate Member Carroll MINUTES APPROVED The minutes of the August 14, 1990 Regular Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting were approved unanimously. REVIEW OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ELEMENTS Vice - Chairman Linebarier commented to staff that he was speaking for himself and a couple other board members when he said, "Do not wait until the last day or week to get the elements to the board members." He thought it was understood that these elements were to be distributed in advance to the members so that the material could be absorbed. Planning Director Behrens stated that the Workshop was being held so that the Board could look at and review the elements, since the documents are 90% complete at this time. Behrens continued by stating that in November there will be another review, but on January 1, 1991 the elements are due in Tallahassee. The City will send all eight elements to Tallahassee for review, they will send back comments for the City to respond to, then the City will approve the elements in the Spring of 1991. Therefore, the P &Z Commission has until November 13, 1990 to comment and make changes. As the discussion continued regarding the logical understanding the Board Members should have at this time to comment on the elements; the outcome of the discussion was that the elements are a living document and that staff was present to give an overview of each element by stating what had been done and where the information had come from. As the meeting began, Vice - Chairman Linebarier asked each member of the audience to give their name and position. Present were Melvin Shaner of the Recreation and Open -Space Advisory Committee, R.P. Mohnacky a concerned citizen that sat in on several of the meetings, and Jim LaRue and York Phillips of LaRue Planning and Management Services (consultants for the City on the Comprehensive Plan). This concluded the members of the audience. Planning and Zoning Commission Workshop Meeting Minutes September 11, 1990 Page 2 Associate Planner Lisa Claman began by stating that she would like to cover where the information came from, how the analysis was done and what the committees had to say, as far as, what their concerns were. INFRASTRUCTURE = SANITARY SEWER, SOLID WASTE, POTABLE WATER, DRAINAGE, AND NATURAL GROUNDWATER AQUIFER RECHARGE ELEMENT Sanitary Sewer Sub - Element - First of all, two of the sub - elements: Sanitary Sewer and Potable Water the analysis for both of these sub - elements were derived from the Water and Wastewater Master Plans that the City had undertaken by Professional Engineering Consultants (PEC). So, everything within these sub - sections are reflections of what those Water /Wastewater Master Plan showed as needs through the year 2010. All the improvements listed in these two sub - elements are items that have been deemed financially feasible and as such have been put into the Capital Improvements Element. Concerns the Committee had were septic tanks and what their affects might be on surrounding water bodies. There are several policies in the element that address septic tanks and their eventual elimination. Also addressed are requiring developments to come onto central sewer, if it is close. Given in the element is a policy that states that at the time a line comes close proximity to your home, it will be required that that person hook -on to the system. However, it has not been addressed who will be responsible for the cost of hooking on. But, there is a policy that states that the City is trying to eliminate the use of them, when and if central sewer comes to these particular areas. (Section 1 - Sanitary Sewer Sub - Element, Page 12, Objective 2.1) Solid Waste Sub - Element - Where Solid Waste is concerned the City has coordinated with Orange County's Environmental Protection Department. The City is depending on them through the new legislation that has been passed, as far as, the reduction of solid waste given to landfills etc. The City is projecting that the landfill will have enough capacity to serve the City through -out the planning period. The City will not have the financial burden, as far as providing solid waste services. There would be no major capital expense like having to do a landfill for the City since the City coordinates with Orange Irr County. Planning and Zoning Commission Workshop Meeting Minutes September 11, 1990 Page 3 Planning Director Behrens stated that City Staff looked at the landfill capacity that exist today and with the recycling requirements that Orange County has put into effect, it increases the capacity of the landfill. Orange County has purchased an additional 3,000 acres for landfills. Solid Waste from Ocoee is taken to Orange County's transfer station at the corner of Goodhomes and White Roads. Commercial carriers take their collections to the same landfill. Drainage Sub - Element - Associate Planner Claman stated that a lot of information gathered for this element was based on basin studies that PEC performed in the past on a number of lake systems and basins in the area. The Water Management Districts are becoming much more restrictive when it comes to information on drainage basins. They require the City ,`r to become more knowledgeable and more of an indication of flooding potential, etc. What one of the policies states in the element is that the City should do a Master Drainage Basin Study for the entire area, and currently it is in the City's "Five -Year Work Program ". Basically this element goes into detail on the basins within the area, based on the information they have from past basins studies that were done approximately five -years ago. (Location: Section 3 - Drainage Sub - Element, Page 19). What are the specific requirements on a Master Basin Study? Jim LaRue commented that generally what happens to meet the particular section in the DCA requirements is that the starting point would often be the Master Drainage Study in order to find out what the particular drainage project would fall upon that. A Board Member questioned the drainage and those existing areas where surface water and street water runs directly into lakes. Has any new innovations been created where this water is filtered by some methods? Associate Planner Claman stated that technology is available and that her understanding is that we are now working on an ordinance called a Stormwater Utilities Ordinance. What it would be is that a fee would be passed and the money raised by those fees would be spent on devises to improve the stormwater quality prior to it going into our water bodies. The City of Orlando has already implemented a program. The City of Ocoee would be similar in structure and nature to the one they passed. Fees would be collected within the districts where the improvements would occur. likrw Planning and Zoning Commission Workshop Meeting Minutes September 11, 1990 Page 4 Districts would vary depending on the topography, water bodies, etc. The Basin Study would list the districts. (Identified in the element on page 21 & 22 of the Drainage Sub - Element). The need and money ($190,000) for the Master Plan has been identified in Five - Year Capital Improvements Program. Sanitary Sewer Wastewater - The Clark Road improvements are going to contain a line for greywater; this plan will take in to consideration a reduction on our sewer system for those grey water areas that will be implemented. The element does not specifically state what areas will be, using the grey water, but what we say is that the City will implement a system of greywater use. No time frame. It is thought to be that the greywater areas would be the areas serviced by sanitary sewer, for no other reason than the cost involved with retrofitting a system and running a grey line down a existing street. The cost would be too great to extend a greywater line down an existing neighborhood. The greywater system working will be used at a home, and the home will have two spigots outside; one will be greywater and the other will be regular water. Greywater would be used for irrigation, washing the car, etc. Discussed at another meeting was the fact that Clark Road would have greylines run and when the developer connects they will be charge a fee of something like $8.00 for all the greywater the developer can use. The cost would probably be the minimum cost of extending the lines. A Board member questioned the filtration system of the greywater back into lakes in the area. Staff commented that this would be a good thing to look at. There could be a filtration system to take the sediment out and pump back into lakes. Potable Water Sub - Element This element came from a Water Master Plan that PEC prepared for the City. It identified the needs identified through the studies that all are financially feasible, there are already some of the improvements under construction. In the project, increase population, how are the City's well systems and the aquifer going to fare under this rapid increase in population? The studies that have been done, have shown that there is not going to be a major detrimental effect on the aquifer, as far as draw down on the lakes. During dry periods there has been Planning and Zoning Commission Workshop Meeting Minutes September 11, 1990 Page 5 a problem with draw -down on lakes. What has been found is that there is not going to be the kind of detrimental effect that you would expect with the increasing population in Orange County. In the element, it states that the City would work with the Water Management District on withdraws, etc., and also, water conservation programs. The new well (South Water Plant) for the City is proposed to be built on the University of Florida site on Lake Bonnet. (Identified in the Potable Water Sub - Element on Table 14, between pages 10 and 11). The 12" watermain interconnection between Kissimmee Avenue and Forest Oaks is under design at this time. Natural Groundwater Aquifer Recharge Sub - Element Associate Planner Claman stated that the analysis is based on the Water Management District studies. The Water Management District has identified just about every thing east of Bluford Ave. as being a high aquifer recharge area. More is found in the southern portion of the City. There is a great deal of high aquifer recharge areas in the City. Intensity of development growth - how does current intensity compare to the actual growth? Planning Director Behrens stated that the Planning Staff is now looking at all building permits that come through the City for drainage purposes, etc. This allows the Planning Department to get a feel for what the City really wants to have next year after the Comprehensive Plan is turned in and then when the City has to refer to the Land Development Regulations portion of this process. The City needs to get a feel of what is needed in terms of impervious surfaces. What are the out limits? How much of a lot can one put concrete on without hurting the capacity of ground recharge? What is the market demanding? What does the developer want to build? How does that fit with what we want to do? This process allows staff to see permit by permit at everything from a spa to a tennis court, to a garage enclosure, to a new house, to a shopping center. We are getting a real detail analysis on the whole recharge question in the impervious surfaces ratios - drainage co- efficiencies, etc. Planning and Zoning Comission Workshop Meeting Minutes September 11, 1990 Page 6 When the Land Development Regulations are to be updated later on, Staff will come to the Board with recommendations based on experience of over a years period of experience of what is going in the ground. Staff will work to find out what other jurisdictions like and what their experiences have been with communities that are a little bit ahead of us in terms of number of developments in the ground. What is currently happening in the Water Management District now is that they are developing an Aquifer Recharge Plan that has not been completed as of yet. One of the policies in our plan says that when that is completed we will adopt certain policies within the document that are pertinent to the City. And those will be adopted as part of the City's Land Development Regulations. This could include anything from the restrictions on density to the amount of impervious surfaces, etc. Currently they are doing a full study on aquifer recharge and the plan should be completed within the next six months. New Development Review Committee process requires a project to have a parking space of 9 X 20 feet. The developer wants to know if they increase the amount of landscape in between parking areas, can they overhang the front of the cars 1 -1/2 feet and reduce it from 20 feet to 18 -1/2 feet and increase the percolation surface and put in a larger caliper tree. These are some of the ways the things staff are looking at. TRAFFIC CIRCULATION ELEMENT Associate Planner Claman stated that PEC did this element and that they did a complete study of traffic circulation patterns, they did traffic counts both in the AM and PM peak hours. Based on what they found through their studies they wrote this element and came up with the improvements that are within some of the Tables. They came up with some projections of traffic counts through certain corridors. They also did the study for Clark Road and Maguire Road. They put together a list of improvements found on Table 16, page 36. On Table 17, page 39 it gives the priorities and the staging of the developments. It talks about the agencies and where the funding is coming from and the cost. Figure 8 on page 35, shows some indication as to what kind of traffic volume we are going to see in the year 2005, also identifies the type of roads whether two -lane or four -lane roads. Planning and Zoning Commission Workshop Meeting Minutes September 11, 1990 Page 7 On Table 17, Implementation Costs By Priorities, page 39, shows Clark Road's funding source as gas tax and private. The private portion of Clark Road from A.D. Mims Road to Clarcona -Ocoee Road is that section that passes through Prairie Lake P.U.D. The City will be responsible to build Clark Road from SR 50 to A.D. Mims Road, this will be a four -lane section, 22 foot median, paid for by the Bond issue that was just sold in New York. The agreement that was made with the developers along Clark Road north of A.D.Mims was going to provide the road and it was not going to be a city road, this is where "Private" comes in. Prairie Lake PUD is going to build a four -lane road initially 1,000 feet north of A.D. Mims Road and then it will transition back to a two -lane road. The developer is giving 100 feet of right -of -way so that when it comes on line they may build a four -lane road where the 2 -lane is proposed. John Linebarier asked what happened to the developers paving a r portion of Clark Road -- the subdivisions approval were subject to them paving a portion of Clark Road. The point of the discussion was that if they decided not to do their subdivision at the time, the City would pave their portion and the developer would pay them back. What Linebarier was talking about was the element indicates City tax (gas tax). Mickey Shiver didn't agree with Linebarier and stated that this is a special gas tax, a passed City Gas Tax for this Bonded project (Clark Road). Gas Tax would not have come to the City, because there isn't one. And their wasn't one until the City put a Bond out, and issued a Bond and therefore the Bond is a 1/2 cent gas tax spread through the whole County. That money is coming to pay for Clark Road, it is an addition to any other gas tax we have. Associate Planner Claman explained what happened to the money the developers were suppose to put in to pave their portions of Clark Road. Claman stated that she didn't know about the 1/2 cent gas tax being levied on the other side of the County. But, the New York Bond Market does not accept impact fees as a viable funding source to back up the Bond. What the City said was that we're going to back up the Bond by the 1/2 cent optional gas tax in order to get the Bond. The impact fees are being levied. The impact fees are being used to pay the debt service on the Bonds by the City. Planning and Zoning Commission Workshop Meeting Minutes September 11, 1990 Page 8 CORRECTION: Traffic Circulation Element, Page 35, Figure 8 - Change Clark Road on the map from 2 lanes to 4 lanes from A.D. Mims Road to White Road (stated at the meeting was from A.D. Mims Road to Silver Star Road). The extension of road from Lakewood Avenue to Ocoee - Apopka Road was a recommendation from the advisory board to the Planning and Zoning Commission and the City Commission. What it is intended to do is provide more east -west routes. Also, the committee would like to see that the road be paid by developers action of some type. The road would be a little over one mile and the cost would be 1.8 million dollars. Associate Planner Claman stated that the Traffic Circulation Committee members will hold another meeting to discuss the curve on White Road around the sink hole in order to see that something is done about it. Cost estimates for a bridge type structure to straighten out the curve would be an estimated cost of $350,000.00, this is one of several alternatives the members are looking at. Commissioner Switzer stated that the County has been approached several times just to mow the area or to put up hazard signs. Ocoee expects the Tri- County Transit System to be expanded to include regular daily operations and special service for the transit dependent population. Staff stated that this is true. Tri- County wants to extend their service by the next 5 or 10 years (Page 41). CONSERVATION ELEMENT Associate Planner Claman stated that the Conservation Element looks at several different areas such as air quality, surface water bodies, aquifer recharge potential, rare and endangered species, habitat protection, etc. Air Quality information was gathered from the Orange County Environmental Protection Department and they worked with The Environmental Protection Agency and The State Bureau of Air Quality Management in Tallahassee. There are monitoring systems out in the area and what they found is that in general the air quality in the area is good. `r Show Planning and Zoning Commission Workshop Meeting Minutes September 11, 1990 Page 9 Water Quality information was based on the 1988 study by the Department of Environmental Regulation Point - Non -Point Source Assessment Document. They found several indicators of problems and identified them, but stated that they were not significant problems. Groundwater Quality information came from the Water Management District and from U.S.G.S. Threatened and Endangered Florida came from The Regional Planning Council in a study on Rare and Endangered Species, and the appendix in the back of the element identify all the plant, animals, invertebrate, etc. that are occurring in the area. Buffer Areas and Buffer Zones information came from The Regional Planning Council in a document entitled Buffer Zones. The importance to include this information was in the land use plan. Local Goals, Objectives and Policies - a lot of these deal with Inter - governmental Coordination with agencies such as D.E.R., D.N.R. and Water Management District, Regional Planning Council, etc. Water Demand and Water Use information came from The Master Water Plan that P.E.C. put together. Wetlands (page 32) Policies and Objectives. Green areas on the Land Use Map - lakes and flood plains are included as wetlands. In the Land Development Regulations it is addressed on the wetlands restricting development of those areas and lowering the densities, providing incentives to the developers to leave those lands as open space. RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE ELEMENT The criteria used in this element were based on the Department of Natural Resources, Recreation Facilities Plan. The criteria they used and the standards they used throughout the state were adjusted for what the Committee Members thought the City needs, as well as other people's input. The Committee Members came up with standards on the number of parks needed and the facilities needed within the parks. The needs identified within the next five years are financially feasible. The recreational impact fees ordinance that Planning and Zoning Commission Workshop Meeting Minutes September 11, 1990 Page 10 the City recently passed took into consideration all the improvements identified as being necessary within the first five years. Included in the improvements are the baseball quadriplex, several other facility type improvements and the addition of a couple parks. The current inventory of the City is on pages 8 through 10. Analysis on Page 16 identify the needs for parks themselves whether they be a mini park, neighborhood park or community park (the number we have, the number we need, whether we're deficient, and whether we have more than enough). Currently it shows no deficiencies and budgeted improvements from 1991 to 1995 shows the addition of a special purpose facilities that refers to the quadriplex. Board Member Mickey Shiver (Mickey is also Director of Little League in Ocoee) stated that the City needs more ball fields now not 1991. He would like to see two quadriplexes and one additional football field by 1995. Another problem is the availability of property to build such a complex. Planning Director Behrens asked Shiver to attend the October 2, 1990 City Commission meeting to express his concerns and needs. The entire park could be done on twenty (20) acres. Board Member Shiver stated that Staff may want to modify the numbers specifically with the little league program. Looking at page 7, Table 3 - Little League Baseball and Senior League the population served is off a little. The assumption that the City has enough ball fields currently is untrue - because kids are being turned away from little league baseball now because there is no where to play them. It would be for the Little League's best interest to have all the ball fields in one location. Majority of his time is spent traveling between ball fields just to check on things. It would be a lot easier to walk from one area of the complex to another. Shiver stated that there could be a trade -off here, because if two quadriplex fields (8 ball fields) and two football fields could go in one place, then the City could have everything back that is on Flewelling and turn that into a City Park. Vice - Chairman Linebarier questioned Table 2 on page 7 - Resource - Based Recreation Standards. He wanted to know where the linear mile of bicycle trail was. Planning and Zoning Commission Workshop Meeting Minutes September 11, 1990 Page 11 Page 17 - Table 6 Existing Activities Needs Assessment, 1988 Linebarier stated that the City may not have 20,000 people but the City does has 12,000, so there should be 1 from 0 to 20,000 (1 linear mile). Claman confirmed her thoughts by stating that rather than the City having to meet the threshold in order to get this facility we should have one facility up to that point and when the City reaches that threshold you start working on the next one. Board members agreed to that way. Restrooms in the recreational areas. Claman stated that this is not specifically addressed in the element, but the new recreational impact fee ordinance has several restroom improvements within the ordinance. The particular one that the Board was interested in was at the boat ramp at Starke Lake. Claman stated that that area was not included in the ordinance. Behrens stated that the restroom facilities in area parks should be brought up at the October 2, 1990 City Commission meeting. Behrens asked Harold Switzer and Pat Bond to attend and express their concerns. Board Member Pat Bond left the meeting at 9:35 PM. On Page 19, Table 8 for Little League Baseball field there should be 2 not 1 under Existing; and for Senior League Baseball field there should be 1 not 5 Existing. After a comparison of numbers between pages (19 and 9) the conclusion was that the numbers shown are a standard and the document was revised to bring the numbers into financial feasibility. The City plans to build a quadriplex beyond these standards. Linebarier stated to the Staff "Don't you believe even if we can't get budgeted funding for these things that we should reflect them as numbers needed. The numbers will make us look bad because we are not going to be able financially probably to get these things, but just because we're not going to be able to get them doesn't mean we don't need them. The document is misleading anybody that reads it by telling them that that's all the City needs." Behrens stated that it's based on the standard. The level must be set. Claman stated that when it's time to go to the City Commission specifically they need to be told that the standards are just not high enough, they are not serving the people that are here. What are we going to do to bring the standards up, and yet keep the plan **sr financially feasible. firâ–º Planning and Zoning Commission Workshop Meeting Minutes September 11, 1990 Page 12 Behrens stated that the City has adopted a level of standard that says we don't have to fund the needs until the population reach 20,000. If the City had the money we could say we want to adopt it now. We only have the money to do so much. Behrens stated that the City is identifying the activity of the natural trail and the bicycling as a need, but what is in the budget, Staff does not feel that it is a need that the City absolutely has to have at this time in relation with other things. Linebarier stated that he could not see worrying about projecting two quadriplexes and two football fields and have no passive recreation for older people. How can this be justified. Behrens stated that the problem with the passive recreation is that it has to be sold along with the active recreation. Darlene Rhodus would like to see the City have a public pool, every one is aware of the insurance situation, but if Winter Garden *iiry Winter Park can have a pool, why can't Ocoee. Behrens stated that this should also be addressed on the October 2, 1990 workshop meeting. Items to be brought up at the Workshop on October 2, 1990 by P &Z Members are: 1) Ball Fields, 2) Public Pool, 3) Open Space - Bicycling, and 4) Public Restroom Facilities. Harold Switzer moved to adjourned, seconded by Mickey Shiver and the motion was unanimous. ADJOURNED 10:10 PM iohn Linebar, R r, Vice - Chairman ATTEST: L Elien King, Secretar/