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06-29-1994 MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ACTING AS LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY SPECIAL MEETING HELD TUESDAY, June 29, 1994 CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order by Chairman Switzer at 7:30 p.m., followed by a moment of silent meditation and the pledge of allegiance. The determination of a quorum was made. PRESENT: Chairman Switzer, Vice Chairman Bond, Members Jones, Landefeld, Miller, Swickerath, Alternates Draia and McKey. Also present were City Manager Shapiro, Administrative Services Director Beamer, Planning Director Wagner, and Clerk/Stenographer Lewis. ABSENT: Member Rhodus. CONSENT AGENDA -LAKE OLYMPIA SQUARE, PHASE I FINAL SUBDIVISION /SITE PLANS. The consent agenda consisted of item A. Member Swickerath expressed concern of the plans relative to compliance with American Disabilities Act (ADA). There is a square footage ratio per space assigned to parking places which is reasonably accurate but does not include the area needed in a parking lot for driving lanes. It appears, from reading the site data, that we have more parking places than required and he recommends approval of the documents subject to a thorough review by the building department, not just the codes of the City but the ADA. He wants to make sure the Commission will check it again. Planning Director Wagner said this was the same parking lot design as the Albertsons Shopping Center. Ron Henson, representing the Miller Group, had designed the handicapped (spaces), by a recent directive of the building department, and by the latest ADA code requirements. The developer originally had 12 ft. wide handicap spaces but apparently the Code's recent amendment to the Code is 8 ft. in combination with the 5 ft. strip between spaces. The developer would comply with the ADA requirements. Winn Dixie has a larger requirement for the number of spaces than the City which requires 5.5 spaces per 1,000 sq. ft. They are a little above the City; and below Winn Dixie's requirement on the site plan. The developer has agreed to this compromise. City Manager Shapiro said the City will follow the requirements of the law and there is no waiver of that requirement. Director Wagner clarified that the developer had submitted the architectural plans of the building and will conform to the requirements. Administrative Services Director Beamer asked the Commission to make certain that the motion include the details of fulfilling the requirement for the final certificate of concurrency. Chairman Switzer asked if the wall, on the south side and heading east, is going to be enough buffer for the residents living in that area. Mr. Henson said the wall will continue 100 ft. past the area of Mr. Switzer's concern. Vice Chairman Bond had a problem with the vine covered wall that would deteriate over time and Mr. Henson said it is a brick wall. The vines are being low Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting June 29, 1994 low planted as part of the landscape plan. Member Swickerath, seconded by Vice Chairman Bond, moved to accept and recommend to the City Commission that the Lake Olympia Square, Phase I Final Subdivision/Site Plans be approved as recommended by staff, with the singular exception that the ADA issue be revisited to make sure that all spaces designated as handica . . ed s . aces com el with the re. uirements of the Americans Disabilities Act: and further that the plans not be approved until a final certificate of concurrency is issued by the City. Motion carried 6 -0. NEW BUSINESS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, CITY OF OCOEE FIVE YEAR PROJECTION, FISCAL YEARS 1995 -1999. Chairman Switzer suggested hearing the City Manager's remarks, then going through the Capital Improvement Program (CIP) book, page by page, with Commission making comments or asking questions on any of the items. City Manager Shapiro explained the budget process was similar to that of last year and the availability of funds will determine what ends up being approved in any budget. The overall program on computer software and hardware is incomplete and all were given 2's. What the LPA approves becomes a part of the Comprehensive Plan each year and sets the standard that goes to the City Commission who will determine which Capital Improvements they would like in the budget. Chairman Switzer adjourned the P &Z meeting at 7:50 p.m. and opened the LPA meeting. City Manager Shapiro explained the various ratings: 0 On going project that the City has Capital leases on; 1 Urgent project, should be funded in the fiscal year indicated; 2 Project urgently needed but which must be shifted to a later year to accomodate fiscal accomodations; 3 Projects that are needed if funding is available in the proposed fiscal year. Administrative Services Director Beamer reported that some departments have repeated their requests for the new City Hall as they were not sure within this budget year that the City can afford all of the things that are needed. The City Manager had requested that some items be left until next year when staff will know what is really needed. City Manager Shapiro's responses to questions from the LPA members are underlined. Page 1 - 1: How many wooden file cabinets? Five Page 2 - 1: Why are these items listed as a 2? Was not sure what will be needed. v`„ 2 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting June 29, 1994 Noir Page 3 - 2: What is a debt service- copier? That is a new copier with costs to pay it off over the course of several years. This is a cost to lease it. Page 4 - 1: The software for Personnel is included as standard software and it is required for their network. It is not a piece of the puzzle. Page 4 - 3: Why is there a 1/2 ton pick -up for the Personnel Department? City Hall custodians, who do the work orders, are included in the Personnel budget. Page 4 - 4: Why is staff buying a typewriter? For typing tests and preprinted forms. Page 6 - Member Landefelt said some items appear as if the P &Z has approved in the past and are appearing again because there had not been enough money to fund them. Does that change your recommendation, was it a 3 last time and now it is a 2. City Manager Shapiro said a full committee, department heads and experts in the area of computers, is meeting to formulate a plan. These items will not be bought until the plan is complete. Upon completion the plan will be presented to the Commission. Member Landefeld asked the meaning of "F. OTHER." The F's, under Method Financing, should be corrected to all A's, all current revenues, although " "Other" could mean a grant or some other fund. Page 7 - 13: The Method Financing should be corrected to all A's. The law enforcement officers and detectives will test the computers in the field for report writing. Page 8 - The Method Financing should be corrected to all A's. Page 9 - Administrative Services Director Beamer said page 9's Method Financing should be F's because staff is still looking at the balance of the Bond proceeds. If the City can afford the items, on page 9, from the Bond proceeds the F's will be changed to A's. Page 11 - 6: Heat /AC Unit For Public Works Office - City Manager Shapiro said it is for the purpose of the public works facility. The public works office is not in an area where the City can properly do the public works functions. There are four or five different projects that he will recommend to the City Commission to take to the people as a GOB Bond issue, as follows: baseball fields, roads, public works facility, Kissimmee and Story Road, lakefront things be done, maybe a boardwalk, some lighted areas, campus like area around the main attraction, major park complex, secondary treatment (sewer plant), and approximately 100 Nair 3 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting June 29, 1994 acres of City land for a natural park down by the Hammocks. Alternate McKey asked if the public works facility would be replaced. It would be removed and used as a park or storage area. Page 12 - 4: Items 4 and 5 which will be for the 1995 -96 will be part of the GOB. Also, these would be ones that will start the lake (projects) but is not directly related to stormwater utility so we can apply it here. Number five will place an additional holding pond behind the Police Station to clean the water as it comes across before it hits the lake. Also this will allow the impervious circle right here close to the lake to drain out. Member Swickerath said he believes the impervious circle and surface that is here right now and the additional impervious surfaces created by the construction of the new municipal complex should have been part of the contract documents for the construction. Ms. Beamer said we were permitted just for the additional, the other was grant funded. Member Swickerath respectfully suggested that the P &Z Board make page 12, item 5 a priority 1 and concur with the City Manager on item 4, make it a priority 1. Member Swickerath, seconded b Vice Chairman Bond, moved to make item 5 a priority 1 in makin ' a holdin pond ditch behind the Police Station a priority 1. Motion carried 6 -0. City Manager Shapiro explained that he had spoken with some of the Commission members Nim" about the Community Center building. It is also apparent that the majority of the City Commission is interested in doing something about the youth center on Flewelling Avenue. The cost is so high that for that kind of money the City could put a steel building with a gymnasium. While re- building the youth center the parks and recreation people can use the Community Center. The City had, at one time, promised a building for the senior citizens. Member Miller asked if any of this qualified under CDBG (Community Development Block Grant) money. City Manager Shapiro said it could and there was still Older Americans ACT money available out of the Regional Planning Council. Page 12 - 3: What are the above storage tanks? There is a problem with the diesel and gasoline tanks at the public works facility which the City, under the law, must replace. Staff had asked the County (to see) if the City could get a grant from them and County staff thought the above ground tanks for the west area would be a ' reat idea as it would i rovide the . asoline for es ui , ment if there was some kind of natural disaster. The City as well as other units of government could use these above ground tanks, manually or electrically, in case of emergency. Also, it is cheaper to do it above ground. Alternate McKey asked if the number of tanks that would be able to sustain a hurricane. Yes. Page 12 - 4: What part is lake improvement and what part is roadway realignment? Chairman %kw 4 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting June 29, 1994 Now Switzer asked what roadway are we talking about. Administrative Services Director Beamer said it stops just west of the fire station driveway and will move the road over 1/2 through the existing police building so then fire station one has the room to expand. Ms. Bond asked the costs. Ms. Beamer said because there is the wall the completion of the road would be $100,000 and that the $150,000 would go to the lake front improvement. Vice Chairman Bond was discouraged as she had asked for public restrooms for Starke Lake before and they were still talking about it. Chairman Switzer also wanted restrooms constructed for Starke Lake. Discussion ensued on the public restrooms for the lake and Member Swickerath asked to make it a high priority item for this Board to the City Commission. Administrative Services Director Beamer explained the problem must be looked at realistically as half the cost to build will be each years operating cost to maintain the public facilities. Until there is a way in which you can control the vandalism that occurs in them you will keep them shut more than they are open. People will stop them up, pull them out, write all over them, and do all kinds of things to the facilities. Page 13 - 16: Interior furnishings - It is for a required sprinkler system. '4140' Page 13 - 18: What is a campus plan? This is a plan to include bathrooms, additional boat ramps, trees and parking. Chairman Switzer asked where the money is coming from. As part of the bond issue. Page 14 - These are items necessary for a building maintenance department which the City did not have previously. Page 16 - Member Swickerath wanted the Police Force to be well trained but preferred shifting these funds into areas like Starke Lake. Page 16 - 10: This is the 800 mHZ radio system and will duplicate the County system. Page 17 - 23: How many k -9 dogs does the City have? None. Page 17 - 25: Outdoor vacuum - This is a vacumn used for outdoor evidence. RECESS 9:00 - 9:05 P. M. Chairman Switzer asked the City Manager if he has any specifics that he would like to address the Commission and then proceed page by page in a more rapid manner. Itior 5 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting June 29, 1994 City Manager Shapiro explained that the City was looking at the possibility of two additional fire stations, one on Maguire Road, and the second on Clarke Road. He will also recommend to the City Commission that station no. 2 on Adair Street be turned over to the recreation department. He would like to see the standardization of vehicles and the purchase of a mini and a Class A pumper. Also, the purchase of an emergency lighting vehicle and a ladder truck. Page 19 - 12: How many buildings, besides the hospital, are more than two stories in the City? The ladder truck will be needed for the extracation of people from, for an example the mall, which will have 1M sq. ft. under continuous roof. The City must be prepared to spray one part of the building so the fire does not spread. There will be a number of shopping centers with continuous roof. Page 22 - What is the purpose of the automobiles? These are for code enforcement people, supervisors, and the trucks will be available for inspectors which must carry ladders. Member Landefeld said that the program has 17 vehicles, mostly pick -ups, at a total cost of $233,000 over a five year period. City Manager Shapiro said staff is recommending that the City Commission buy another street sweeper that will also do the catch basins. One of the biggest problems in the City right now is the amount of sand intrusion in catch basins that clogs and creates another mess. 'r. Page 23 - 4: Is Silver Star Road a State road? The City does State roads and while the State has a certain standard in fixing and maintaining roads, the City can do them better. The City has a contract with the State and accepts whatever they give us. Page 24 - What is P.P.T.D.? Parks, Parkways, Tree, and Drainage. Page 43 - 23: It is a pow -r -mole for conduit lines, not for water lines. Page 24 - 18: Reflectometer - Is there a standard and does the State adopt this? It is 3 amps. The State and the City have adopted the standard. Page 24 - 15: What is an easy ride athletic field conditioner? It is a machine specifically for baseball fields that scarifies the clay and makes it softer. Page 25 - 28: The Mark III Lake Aid system is a bubbling (narration) system for Starke Lake. Page 25 - 27: The City Commission would like to see the Welcome to Ocoee signs at 6 or 7 locations and one or two a year are scheduled for purchase. tr 6 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting June 29, 1994 Page 26 - 31: Who will use the jon boat? Chairman Switzer higher priority current To be fused really small and he supports placing this item on collecting samples. Page 26 - 37: Was item 1, page 49, the same? The $40 000 will be for a 1 inch cap of what is not rebuilt. If the Cit ' ets a GOB Bond issue a • . roved for that road the Cit will close the draina . e increase the ere that to all the turn lanes and fix all that to the rest of the road will be cal awa with the bottleneck. Where � l ed to the west Cit limits with the rest of the monies. Page 27 - 45: What is the $800,000 for? It is for the actual work to do the intersection of Kissimmee and Sto Road the closin . of the draina a turn lanes and si . nalization. What is not done in that other Cit • limits. the Chairman Switzer cal the rest of the road all the wa to the our asked what, then, is the $511,000 for on page 49, Kissimmee - Story Road intersection only. Administrative Services Director Beamer said this item should be deleted. (Clerk's Note: When page 27 - 45 was deleted, the numbers from this point will be off a digit from the revised book submitted to the City Commission.) Page 26 - 37: Why is SYSCO not participating in the improvements that if the o ex � and SYSCO thew 11 Avenue? It has been made clear to them share in the cost of im rovin the intersection. Page 27 - 38 -46: Chairman Switzer questioned the series � Orlando Avenue, and the study of White Road resurfacing from Bluford Avenue to Clarke be done on widening the right -of -way? The ma'orit of the lanes are 9 ft. lanes and have alwa s been substandard from Bluford Avenue ell to Ci Ro Althou . h the mall has not a reed the Cit has rt of the Orlando Avenue from Bluford Avenue Clarke reduce the bend and strait n the develo .ment order. The Cit will be ab le to e curve with some of Ba Goodman's ro•ert . Alternate McKey asked about the sidewalks at Orlando Avenueand n hite Count The problem is that the Cit does not have the riht-if-wa art and the City ca g nnot et it Page 32 - 86 - 92: Why Asphalt Removal From Brick? The Cit Commission advised staff that the wanted a re sort on what it would 7 'Uw Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting June 29, 1994 cost to go back to brick streets. Chairman Switzer thought it was more important to put sewage and new water lines in the old part of town than it is to have pretty brick streets that are already there. He requested changing these to a priority 3. City Manager Shapiro wanted them to understand that no money that will be used for water /sewer lines will be affected by this. The water /sewer lines are in their own budgets. They are enterprise accounts and must be paid for by the rate payers and the bond issue. No proceeds from the general, except from the Over 65 Program goes to the water /sewer fund. Page 33 - 94: What kind of fence for Tiger Minor Park? There is no internal fence right now because of an incident that had occurred at the park. The insurance company will not pay unless the City gets rid of all the fences. Page 34 - Administrative Services Director Beamer said a change must be made on page 34 and move item 5, page 45, which is the White Road improvement for $1.2M dollars out of the impact fund, and place it under engineering. As the City Manager had said, in looking at the mall and making the commitment to do the improvement, it should actually be classified under engineering and not road impact. Page 34 - 1: Surveying rod? PEC does it at 2.6 rate because they are a private company. There are some engineering fees that the City could be charging if staff shot the grade for certain things. Also the City could be more sure that the grades were correct. Currently the builders are allowed to shoot their own grade for houses for drainage and driveways. Cities all over the State of Florida are doing it and making money. Does the City have a registered PE? City Engineer Shira is a PE. Page 35 - 2: What are the locations of the drinking fountains? These are for different parks all over town. Page 35 - 8: Were these the parks that were spoken of earlier? Yes. Page 36 - Should the City end up with 100 acre park in the middle of town next to Clarke Road it will have something special. Page 36 - 14: How often is that field used? Three and one -half months a year. Why does that get current revenue and impact fees? To do all improvements at once. Page 36 - 19: Where is the 10 acres? It is for a park south of SR50. Administrative Services Director Beamer said staff recognizes the need for a park in the south end. Each 8 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting June 29, 1994 is a #1 because of the impact fee. Page 37 - 9: Survey and Analysis - It is the survey analysis of the drainage by Federal Law. It is the NYP? Orange County must do the survey and as a City in Orange County the City must also do the survey. It is a Federal mandate and there are 16 drain basins in the City and probably 500 in the County. All have been surveyed: To be funded. Page 37 - 7: Menzimuck 6000 - Is that being done on a lease purchase? Yes. The equipment walks the ditches, cleaning them at the same time, and will be able to help in the major areas where there have been problems with drains. Page 38 - 17: Pollution control devices - Administrative Services Director Beamer said these are nets to keep debris from going into the lake and are not major devices. Page 38 - 18: Are these going to retrofit some of the storm drains of street runoff that goes into Starke Lake? The City will need to filter the lake. The water going across Silver Star Road and other areas around the lake must go through some kind of filteration or underdrain system first so that what is allowed to get into the lake is the purest of the water and is not the debris. It will cost around $750,000 to $1M. The only reason it is in 1997 -98 is the five years needed to go to New y,►. York to get the (Bond) money. Is this filtration retrofiting some of the street runoff that are in the study plan? Yes, it is for the whole area and will require some private as well as public property. Page 39 - 6: E Size xerox machine - referenced to item 7, page 40, are there two E size xerox machines? The record should reflect this is half the cost. One is for sewer and they are paying half the costs. Page 39 - 8: What is a capital projects management? The Bond issue requires that you have a person, that is not involved with the City, under contract with his own PE to overview the planning for the Bond issue report. The City will use this person for master planning. Page 39 - 9: What is the master planning? As part of the Bond issue the City must have a master plan with a separate company to do the master plan with the City overview of the system. This is PEC which is also used for major inspection projects. They expect to double check. Page 39 - 10: What is the need of a 20" color monitor? It will be used in doing GIS mapping. Now 9 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting June 29, 1994 Page 41 - 3: What are the revisions? The City has serious well problems and additional wells are needed. Page 41 - 5: What is a hand held data collector or wand reader? The wand reader is used to read meters on the ground. The remote reader is used for the back meters or meter panels at the side streets. Page 41 - 7: Why do the meter readers need a jeep? Ninety percent of the meters read are on the ground and not at the panels. Page 41 - 1: Why that system? The City has to decide whether to put more water treatment plants in for ourselves or see if we should become a wholesale customer of the County. The decision will be whether or not the capital costs are worth it versus being at someone else's mercy. Staff prefers to go with the County and not spend any more money on improvements in that area. It may not "wash" so this includes the money necessary to do the architectual /engineering should a decision be made to go that way. We have made it clear by saying County interconnect in case we decide to connect with a major line with the County instead. Where would you build the facility? The City is looking at a well at the south plant, Vignetti, Forrest Oak, different places or a major interconnect with the County would be at Clarke /White Roads. There is a massive line that comes down Good +�.► Homes and cuts across White Road to Clarke Road. The City will decide what to do on that in 1995. Page 42 - 20: What is a scada system? It is a computerized system between the sewer plant and the lift station. Page 43 - 27: Why can't we include the major water main extensions in the developer plan? These are water main extensions, that we must do for the backbone system, that is not done by the developer and will allow them to connect for a fee. You will see it '95 on back. Majority of the money will be spent even past 1998 -99 as part of the 1997 Series B Bond issue that we have already got past and is sitting back waiting until we have the need for it. It will probably be parts of the northwest area that we currently have no water to, some looping that must be done, etc. but the majority of the major main will be done by the developer. Page 44 - 7: Why do we need a golf cart? The 15 acre waste water plant usually has only one employee on duty and there are heavy materials that have been carried by hand truck. It is unsafe and the cart is needed to move from place to place. Page 46 - On items 24 and 25, a decision must be made whether the City must build a plant ,fir 10 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting June 29, 1994 or plug into the County plant on McCormick Road. When the City did the GPA agreement there had been talk about possibly going with the County but we did not know yet. In order to get water permits to drill wells for the water capacity the City needs we had to promise St. John's Water Management District that we would have a reuse program, and in particular as we build up the northwest section. The plan now online has that capability. All the water at the present time is going to the golf course but as more people are put online it will be available for anyone. This is the reuse facilities, the lines, and the pumping stations of any kind as this will be under pressure. Chairman Switzer asked if the gray water lines were in the ground when Clarke Road was built. It is already in the median strip up to White Road, crosses White Road and stops. We are asking the mall to do the rest of it. Administrative Services Director Beamer said they are actually abandoned water lines. Page 47 - The one thing about the sanitation system is that it is alive and well. While Cities are beginning to raise their rates to meet it we are fine. We are able to buy the needed equipment. We are also recommending to the City Commission the purchase of automated garbage carts. Chairman Switzer asked what is a garbage cart. It is a cart that rolls out, is picked up and placed back down by a side snatcher. Staff had thought the trucks the City had purchased were side - snatchers. The carts are cleaner, safer, and less labor intensive. Eventually they ''fir will be everywhere. Page 48 - 13 Is that a redundancy of page 11, item 1? This is three acres if we do not do the other. This site will be used for grinding trees we are currently paying to send out. Vice Chairman Bond asked why this department could not use three acres acquired by the public works department. Administrative Services Director Beamer said that would expand the acreage because when they calculated the public works facility they were not including a grinding area. This would have the fund that was utilizing the land to actually pay for the land. The City was looking at $250,000 to do a grinding system. That is what it costs to take all the tree limbs, anything of any size, and put it there instead and grind it into chips. Page 48 - 18 -19: Are these replacement costs of Lodal side load garbage trucks or are they additional trucks? These are additional trucks as the City gets more routes. Page 49 - 6: What is being done to the Marshall Farms Road? Administrative Services Director Beamer said the dual island will be taken out to make a T- intersection. Vice Chairman Bond requested a breakdown of the various methods of financing and the total Now 11 Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting June 29, 1994 expenditures of the overall Five Year Plan Budget. City Manager Shapiro said a memo will be given to her. Vice Chairman Bond asked if something should be included in the motion about the bathrooms on Starke Lake but Member Swickerath said that was not part of his motion and he will not change the motion to include that but the Board could vote it down and make another one. Member Swickerath, seconded b Member Landefeld, moved to recommend a . royal of the Five Year Pro'ection Fiscal Years 1995 -1999 bud. et with the exce .tion of the • riorit revisions made b the Plannin . and Zonin . Board to be line items on Starke Lake and recommend to the Cit Commission a . . roval of the Five Year Ca • ital Plan as • resented b the Cit Mana . er and his staff. Motion carried 6 -0. OLD BUSINESS None OTHER BUSINESS City Manager Shapiro announced that the City is close in the process of the final development order on the mall. As the City Commission and the P &Z will play a special roll in the decision making process to bring a mall to the community that will have a major impact on the area, a trip has been planned to Pembroke Lakes Mall in Ft. Lauderdale, and to the Northpoint Mall in Atlanta (Alpharetta), to get ideas, good or bad, prior to site approval by the City. The visit `'r is scheduled for Friday, July 29 with a trip to Ft. Lauderdale by bus. The group, including residents of Rose Hill, Hammocks, and Lake Olympia, members of the P &Z, the Commission, representatives from The Sentinel and West Orange Times newspapers, and staff members, will then fly to Atlanta on Saturday morning and return on Sunday. Homart will pay for the citizens attending and the City will take care of costs associated with staff, P &Z, and Commissioners. Mr. Shapiro reminded and informed the Board of the Sunshine law. He urged the Board members to contact his secretary to confirm reservations. Chairman Switzer adjourned the LPA meeting at 10:23 p.m. and reopened the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting. COMMENTS PLANNING DIRECTOR Planning Director Wagner expressed appreciation to the members for coming to the special meeting and asked them to reserve the fourth Wednesday of next month. He also said the new planner will be working on the Comprehensive Plan, the Land Development Code, the Arbor ordinance, and pending annexations. The planner will begin on Tuesday, July 5. BOARD MEMBERS Member Swickerath pointed out that the Capital Improvements budget takes a lot of time to put 12 Now Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting June 29, 1994 together and capital investments are things that last for a while but some things, such as computer software become obsolete so fast that it is really like a 2 -3 year investment. City staff should get a clearer definition on what consitutes a capital investment. ADJOURNMENT The meeting adjourned at 10:30 p.m. // / �.tLi�, , , A' OLD SWI ''' , C f a D - - (Absent) Ot DIE LE. E.WI , Clerk/Stenographer timsy %r 13